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Should Someone's Religious Beliefs Circumvent Another's Legal Rights

Yes 47 14.33%
 
No 251 76.52%
 
See Results 30 9.15%
 
Total:328

Eh, this was pretty inevitable; when most of the states still considered it illegal folks with their tightly-held beliefs could point to the law to enforce their own ideology, ("You can't get married, see, says right here!") and therefore were pretty secure in these positions since it meshed with their own beliefs. Now that this is no longer the case, of course, anyone who had previously held the law up as a beacon will drop it like a very hot potato, and be forced to decide if they want to move on to a job that won't pester them with such things, or if they'd rather end up in jail for contempt of court. I'm honestly surprised we're only hearing about one, though not sure how many Clerks there are in total. Figured there'd be a string of resignations from people who just couldn't bear to deal with enabling same-sex couples to wed. =P It is a shame that this woman dragged it out to this extent, but apparently she felt it necessary to take a stand, so suppose it was her choice.

The important thing is that, end of the day, her attempts to evade it didn't work out, and her attempts to flat-out ignore and take her stand resulted in the law treating her as it would any other lawbreaker. I was actually concerned that, when push came to shove, the courts would sort of kid-glove the issue and try to find a workaround to keep her happy- and they apparently half did by asking if she'd accept release from jail in exchange for enabling her deputies to sign the documents, which she still refused in favor of stubbornly remaining in jail- buuuut nope, it's all turning out surprisingly well. The certificates are being distributed, regardless of her explicit opposition to it, and given her ongoing refusal, I wouldn't be surprised if she's removed from her position sooner or later.

And before anyone asks 'But you'd see this woman lose her JOB?' my answer is 'She's not DOING her job, so I'd rather see this woman lose the PAYCHEQUE for the job she isn't DOING.'

Still, it'll be really interesting watch the inevitable hyperbole and soapbox-grandstanding that's probably going to take place as they try to make it look like her being in jail wasn't her conscious and deliberate choice, but rather the machinations of something something liberal somethings. Roommate mentioned that one of her supporters referred to her as 'A Jew In Nazy Germany,' which made me facepalm myself so hard I'm still seeing double. -_-



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Or He Procrascinates, In Which Case Zanten, Doer Of The Things Later

Or It Involves Moving Furniture, in Which Case Zanten, F*** You.

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It's a tragedy, that yet another believer is persecuted; such is life in this time. Ms. Davis, you have my prayers.



swbf2lord said:
It's a tragedy, that yet another believer is persecuted; such is life in this time. Ms. Davis, you have my prayers.

She wasn't persecuted for her beliefs. She defied court orders.



KLAMarine said:
swbf2lord said:
It's a tragedy, that yet another believer is persecuted; such is life in this time. Ms. Davis, you have my prayers.

She wasn't persecuted for her beliefs. She defied court orders.


I'd have done the same thing. I'm not going against God to please a court. She made the right call, here. 



swbf2lord said:
KLAMarine said:

She wasn't persecuted for her beliefs. She defied court orders.

I'd have done the same thing. I'm not going against God to please a court. She made the right call, here. 

And I agree! You can both please god in jail.



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KLAMarine said:
And I agree! You can both please god in jail.

#Rekt



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Skullwaker said:
KLAMarine said:
And I agree! You can both please god in jail.

#Rekt

Just telling it like it is.



padib said:

And I don't care about US Law, nor do I really care about your opinion, honestly.

 


If that's how you feel, what is the point of even posting here? Your opinions are the best, according to you? Awesome. Keep them to yourself if you don't care about what the other person has to say. That kind of attitude has zero place in any discussion.



swbf2lord said:
KLAMarine said:
swbf2lord said:
It's a tragedy, that yet another believer is persecuted; such is life in this time. Ms. Davis, you have my prayers.

She wasn't persecuted for her beliefs. She defied court orders.


I'd have done the same thing. I'm not going against God to please a court. She made the right call, here. 


If that's how you feel then perhaps you shouldn't choose a profession that requires you to do tasks that violates the rules of your god. Doing so is just plain silly.



forest-spirit said:
swbf2lord said:


I'd have done the same thing. I'm not going against God to please a court. She made the right call, here. 


If that's how you feel then perhaps you shouldn't choose a profession that requires you to do tasks that violates the rules of your god. Doing so is just plain silly.


No way. That would take conviction.  Her tax payer funded job is way to sweet to give up. But as the court illustrated,  you can't have both.  Especially when the construct of one's job is bound by the rule of law. 

 

Her defense is completely invalid in fact. She is collecting tax payer money as an elected official in a system where the separation of church and state is clearly defined.  

 

But she already knows that.  She knows that she cannot use her position to endorse a religious belief and enforce it on the public.

 

These tenants of government weren't created yesterday and the don't disappear now that gays make her uncomfortable.  Her freedom of religion as expressed through apparent bigotry doesn't entitle her to ignore the law and block legal marriages. 

Her defense of discrimination is completely invalid. Not being able to discriminate doesn't make her a victim.