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Forums - Politics Discussion - The audacity! Obama changes the name of Mt. Mckinley to Mt. Denali! Past is the past people!

Normchacho said:
Lawlight said:


Stop trolling. Give the USA the name that was most used by native Americans. No different principle from the mountain.


Not trolling, I am 100% serious here. 

NOPE, there is a laundry list of reasons why those aren't the same thing. I'll go into all of them if you'd like, but for now I'll just stick with one.

Pretty much everyone that lives within at least a thousand miles of this mountain already calls it Denali. A similar scenario would actually be more like if the people in Alaska  had changed the name of Clevland to Doolittle, and then it was changed back.


Pretty much everyone calls it Denali, huh? You live there?



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KLAMarine said:
WolfpackN64 said:

It would kind of be a shame, but they forcefully took the land and put a statue of presidents of the USA there the Lakota had no affinity with.

I for one wouldn't be okay with it at all. Mt. Rushmore is a piece of history.

So was the Palast der Republik and they broke that down to rebuilt a facadism Stadschloss.



KLAMarine said:
WolfpackN64 said:

It would kind of be a shame, but they forcefully took the land and put a statue of presidents of the USA there the Lakota had no affinity with.

I for one wouldn't be okay with it at all. Mt. Rushmore is a piece of history.

But on the other hand, I don't see anyone breaking Mt. Rushmore down anytime soon.



Its also crazy that we call Mt Everest after a welsh guy, a man from wales, next to england, when the mountain is called Chomolungma, meaning Holy Mother, in Tibetan.

Even Everest himself said it shouldnt be called Mt Everest.

A mountain in Nepal, in the middle of Asia, called after a guy from welsh is nothing less than stupid.



''Hadouken!''

By the way, this whole concept of "American" is not clear.
Anything regarding what people call American as in from the USA, is either Dutch, German, Irish etc.
Or of African descent. Same thing applies to Canada.

Only things related to native americans, are truely and in their core american.

But for some reason many americans talk about europe like their country is not a product of europe, or europe and africa.



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spurgeonryan said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
It's a fucking mountain.

But the name was forcefully changed, it only makes sense to change it back. No one knew it existed anyway.


It is the largest mountain in North America!!!

Right, and it should be named for something meaningful, not just given the name of a completely unrelated president, who was president before Alaska was a state (and therefore he never presided over the mountain at all). A president who has no connection at all to Alaska, let alone the mountain.

The original inhabitants called it Denali, which means "high" or "tall". The Russians called it Bolshaya Gora, which is russian for big mountain (and is basically a translation of Denali). It was named "McKinley" by a gold prospector because he supported McKinley and McKinley was, at the time, running for president. And America being America, they decided that, rather than going with the original name of the mountain, or even the Russian variant, or even an English translation of the name, they decided to go with the gold prospector's name, because the president at the time, Woodrow Wilson, preferred it.

Meanwhile, the state of Alaska has officially called it Denali since 1975, and tried to get the Federal government to also officially change it around the same time. Do you know why the change didn't happen? An Ohio congressman, who happened to have McKinley's hometown in his district, blocked it.

That's right - it's been called McKinley all of your life (and then some) because of favouritism. Because of corruption and appearance rather than logic and reason.



Lawlight said:
Normchacho said:


Not trolling, I am 100% serious here. 

NOPE, there is a laundry list of reasons why those aren't the same thing. I'll go into all of them if you'd like, but for now I'll just stick with one.

Pretty much everyone that lives within at least a thousand miles of this mountain already calls it Denali. A similar scenario would actually be more like if the people in Alaska  had changed the name of Clevland to Doolittle, and then it was changed back.


Pretty much everyone calls it Denali, huh? You live there?

Alaska changed the name to Denali in 1975. The National Park that it resides in is called Denali National Park.

They seem pretty happy about it to me.

http://www.adn.com/article/20150830/mckinley-no-more-americas-tallest-peak-be-renamed-denali



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spurgeonryan said:
marley said:

 

 

You two above just stop. 1 out of a million may say Denali cause they are mental, but it is Mckinley.

Becausae they're mental? You mean...because that's always what it's been called to them. Them being the people who live around this mountain, you know, the only people that this actually makes a difference to.



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This is great! It's refreshing to have a US president who isn't a blatantly imperialistic xenophobe.



Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
bouzane said:


You shouldn't take my ribbing so seriously. Your anger regarding this non-issue seems to be both misplaced as well as unjustified. If the Alaskans want to rename their own damn mountain why should the federal government oppose them? Also, you shouldn't take this non-issue so seriously and neither should anybody else (I agree that this is needlessly diverting attention from far more important issues). Finally, if you think Obama is personally responsible for creating this mentality you are giving him far too much credit.

I said he played a big part.  Also read my fourth sentence again.  The reason I'm upset about this is when the story doesn't fit his agenda he just ignores it and talks about something insignificant like this.  I wish the media would call him out on it.  Or are people marching in the streets like that like not a big enough deal for a president to talk about?  Ah he'd probably spin it into "guns are bad mmmkay" again like he always seems to lol

Someone has a mental hangup about Obama I see.   You apparently haven't been paying attention to all the times that he has been talking about the law enforcement situation.   The culture of racism in the country's police forces has been around a LOT longer than Obama ha.  Its insane to try and blame it on him.  Additonally - the fact that any nutter can buy an AR15 in this country is indeed terrible. You shouldn't make fun of it.

 

Finally -  you have spent a great deal more time complaining about Denali than Obama spent thinking about it.    The purpose of the Alaska trip was to gain public support for the fight against man made global warming.   That's a pretty worthy goal but you seem to have missed that while trying to find fault with the fact that he said yes to a longstanding request from the people of Alaska.



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