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Azuren on 29 August 2015
sabvre42 said:
pokoko said:
I'd love to know what kind of margins we're looking at with all the consoles, even last gen. The PS4 remaining strong despite not dropping in price has to be good for SCEI's bottom line. Is it possible that the PS4 makes the most profit per console?


Is that even a question? MS has a more expensive build cost,  but sells for less and bundles more. PS4 also has approximately the same attache rate and will have morpheus early next year.  Nintendo said they would lose money with any price cut. 

Last I checked, PS4 cost more to manufacture sure to the higher specifications on RAM, whereas most of the XB1's price and development costs were due to the Kinect. Nintendo sounds reasonable, though, since they package that controller with everything. 



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pokoko on 29 August 2015
spemanig said:
I mean, that's great and all, but it's being cancelled out by the insane amount of losses they are taking from their failing smartphone division.

This means nothing if Sony as a company aren't reaping profitable tangible benefits from it, and their smart phones are stopping that from happening.

I know it feels nice to isolate a specific instance of good news from wider context, but wider context still exists, and makes articles like this disingenuous. Gaming divisions are not just made up of home consoles and companies are not just made up of one division. Comparing the profits of one product from one division of one company to one division of one division of another company without at all referencing the surrounding context of each is shoddy writing. It's exactly one of the reasons why people think gaming journalists are so untrustworthy and write with a biased agenda. Lack of relevant context.

Also, the XBO didn't drop from $499 to $349. It's still $499. With Kinect. The unbundling of the Kinect was not a price drop, just like Sony releasing a $300 PS4 with only 32GB of internal storage wouldn't be a price drop. It's a different product. Not a fair comparison at all, so shoddy writing there as well.

Of course it means something.  Everything means something.  This isn't an article about Sony, it's an article about home console revenue.  Why would you pull smart phones into it?  By that logic, you'd have to talk about everything Sony does and everything Microsoft does, which goes well beyond the scope of the article and the interests of the intended audience.  Should the author have written about Sony's financial services division, as well?

As far as criticism goes, this is really reaching and rather odd.



Azuren on 29 August 2015
TheFallen said:
Funny when PS3 dropped BC and dropped to 399 it was considered a price drop, but all of a sudden, the X1 drop to 399 didn't count as one.

While I personally consider it a price drop, I can see where others do not. The PS3 losing backwards compatibility required changing the insides of the machine to drop the price of that machine. Xbox One just stopped selling the mandatory Kinect bundle exclusively. In that sense, it's always been $400, you just couldn't get it for that price for the first year. 



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JRPGfan on 29 August 2015
daredevil.shark said:

Sony have been able to hold their $399 price point for almost two years now whilst Microsoft has had to drop the price from $499 to $349 in the space of a year just to remain competitive. It’s fairly clear that Sony are expecting revenues from home console sales to increase further in 2015, that should line up with increased profits on hardware as Sony stated in a recent financial report that the PlayStation 4 is now cheaper to produce, whereas Microsoft could see a year where revenue remains flat or could even decline.

Source: http://gearnuke.com/playstation-consoles-generate-revenue-microsoft-nintendo-combined-double-since-2012/


Sony did a good job with the PS4.... Not sure what more there is to say about it.



JRPGfan on 29 August 2015
daredevil.shark said:
The thing is home console market is crowded. Plus PC gaming has gained a lot of momentum. Home consoles wont go extinct. But the market is too small for three players. One player will find difficult to continue.

O_o 

I thought PC sales where down by alot, discrete graphics cards sales down ect.

The PC users say thats because people cant be bothered to build gameing pcs, but instead just buy consoles, and say console market is up compaired to last gen.

 

The market is big enough for 3 players.



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vivster on 29 August 2015
spemanig said:
daredevil.shark said:

Smart try to derail thread. 

But here we are strictly talking about games and home consoles. 

How would you feel if someone thrashed 3ds while comparing ios app revenue and numbers?

I'm 100% on topic. Take it to a mod if you want. I did not once "trash the PS4," and your comparison to "someone trashing the 3DS while comparing iOS app revenue and numbers" is not an equal one. All I want is context. "Playstation Home Consoles Generate More Revenue Than Microsoft And Nintendo Combined."

Great.

What is the context? Why is that important? What are the benefits and/or ramifications of this information? How does it help Sony? Does it help Sony? Why is it bad for Microsoft and Nintendo? Is it bad for them? Are either of them in a position where they need specifically their home consoles to generate as much revenue as the PS4 specifically? Why shouldn't handhelds be included in this discussion? Why does this comparison merit discussion? Why is it important to know this?

Asking these kinds of questions doesn't "derail" anything.

Let me help you out then. The meaning is "good for Sony". Not every thread on here merits discussion. Most are just celebratory circle jerks that serve no purpose other than to inform and honor a certain product.

I don't see you asking for the merits of certain information in other parts of the forum.



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small44 on 29 August 2015
daredevil.shark said:
The thing is home console market is crowded. Plus PC gaming has gained a lot of momentum. Home consoles wont go extinct. But the market is too small for three players. One player will find difficult to continue.


It  just returning to it's normal size,the reason of 7 gen growth is that Nintendo was able to attract  people who never cared about gaming before,ps2+xb sell a bit more then ps3+xb360



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

3sexty on 29 August 2015

Good for Sony. However let's turn this argument around for a minute and talk about what really matters on the broader scale with respect to these companies. Microsoft make more money overall than Sony and Nintendo combined,



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PwerlvlAmy on 29 August 2015
spemanig said:
I mean, that's great and all, but it's being cancelled out by the insane amount of losses they are taking from their failing smartphone division.

This means nothing if Sony as a company aren't reaping profitable tangible benefits from it, and their smart phones are stopping that from happening.

I know it feels nice to isolate a specific instance of good news from wider context, but wider context still exists, and makes articles like this disingenuous. Gaming divisions are not just made up of home consoles and companies are not just made up of one division. Comparing the profits of one product from one division of one company to one division of one division of another company without at all referencing the surrounding context of each is shoddy writing. It's exactly one of the reasons why people think gaming journalists are so untrustworthy and write with a biased agenda. Lack of relevant context.

Also, the XBO didn't drop from $499 to $349. It's still $499. With Kinect. The unbundling of the Kinect was not a price drop, just like Sony releasing a $300 PS4 with only 32GB of internal storage wouldn't be a price drop. It's a different product. Not a fair comparison at all, so shoddy writing there as well.

strangely enough i agree with all of this 



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DucksUnlimited on 29 August 2015
PwerlvlAmy said:
spemanig said:
I mean, that's great and all, but it's being cancelled out by the insane amount of losses they are taking from their failing smartphone division.

This means nothing if Sony as a company aren't reaping profitable tangible benefits from it, and their smart phones are stopping that from happening.

I know it feels nice to isolate a specific instance of good news from wider context, but wider context still exists, and makes articles like this disingenuous. Gaming divisions are not just made up of home consoles and companies are not just made up of one division. Comparing the profits of one product from one division of one company to one division of one division of another company without at all referencing the surrounding context of each is shoddy writing. It's exactly one of the reasons why people think gaming journalists are so untrustworthy and write with a biased agenda. Lack of relevant context.

Also, the XBO didn't drop from $499 to $349. It's still $499. With Kinect. The unbundling of the Kinect was not a price drop, just like Sony releasing a $300 PS4 with only 32GB of internal storage wouldn't be a price drop. It's a different product. Not a fair comparison at all, so shoddy writing there as well.

strangely enough i agree with all of this 

"strangely enough"?

 

It's an off topic discussion. Sony's financial services Division makes them far more money than mobile loses them. That fact, however, would be irrelevant in a thread specifically about the mobile division, in the same way his post is irrelevant to this thread. An article about Windows 10 would have no place bringing up Zune, etc.