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Goodnightmoon on 29 August 2015

The game is bad dude, get over it. The single campaign is a joke and the multiplayer is ok but is almost a pay-to-win



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Never on 29 August 2015

The game looks terrible, and I doubt I'd get 5 minutes of fun out of it, but that's no reason to defend the track record of gaming journalists. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.



iTzCharlie on 29 August 2015

worst game ever



gabzjmm23 on 29 August 2015
Vodacixi said:

I'm having a lot of fun with this game. It's far from being a masterpice. But is not shit either.

Bad things:

- Technically is a mess. Framerate drops sharply whenever lots of explosions are shown on screen, loading times take too long in the multiplayer mode, some textures take some time to charge... Fortunatley, there are no bugs or glitches, at least in my playtime.

- Graphics are irregular. The game as a whole looks correct in general with good character model for the main characters of the story. But some textures look like crap, random character faces are lame and the effects of explosions could have come from a 6th generation system.

- The story, while interesting at some points of the campaing, is just the same shit we have seen in tons of films, books and games over and over.

- Enemy AI sometimes is nowhere to be found.

Good Things:

+ It's fun to play. Adding melee/hack n slash elements to the core FPS experience is a total success. Thanks to that...

+ ...the gameplay becomes more varied than 95% of any FPS out there. You don't just shoot, cover and throw grenades: you can slice your enemies with katanas and knifes or smash them with hammers and iron bars in a third person perspective. Your enemies will do that as well, and you can block their attacks or dodge them.

+ There are a very generous amount of different kind of enemies. Each one requires a different strategy: shoot from distance, defeat them in close combat, combine both ways...

+ Boss battles are epic and quite challenging...

+ ...as is the game. Despite some moments of dumb enemy AI, you can't just run and kill everything you see. You need to study the area, find the enemies positions and act acording to it.

+ Multiplayer is just awesome, deep and has an over the top amount of content on it.

+ Music is just great. This is the aspect that surprised me the most about the game. The soundtrack is just too good for this game.


good analysis. So the cons are really mostly graphics and framerate drops which I believe most knew it months ago, which we thought that was fixed after the E3 2014 trailer.  there some issues also on the camera? are you bothered with that or you feel it is like that like the Ninja Gaiden, I think some would really critize it but some who are used from Ninja Gaiden would know how to play around it for sure.

on the multiplayer, pay to win type of mode?  meaning there are OP items when they use real money to upgrade their items against those who didnt buy any item from real money?  can you expound on this?  

 



Edwardooo on 29 August 2015

There are too many games that I loved and the critics hated than I can count. For example, one of my favorite games ever, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon : Explorers of Sky, got an awful 54 metascore. It's been a long time since I don't trust the critics but only my thoughts about the game and the videos of gameplay I've seen.

It's great if some people goes ahead of the metascore, bought Devil's Third and find it enjoyable. I'm sure the game isn't that bad, I'll pick it one day when I found it for cheap.



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Vodacixi on 29 August 2015
gabzjmm23 said:
Vodacixi said:

I'm having a lot of fun with this game. It's far from being a masterpice. But is not shit either.

Bad things:

- Technically is a mess. Framerate drops sharply whenever lots of explosions are shown on screen, loading times take too long in the multiplayer mode, some textures take some time to charge... Fortunatley, there are no bugs or glitches, at least in my playtime.

- Graphics are irregular. The game as a whole looks correct in general with good character model for the main characters of the story. But some textures look like crap, random character faces are lame and the effects of explosions could have come from a 6th generation system.

- The story, while interesting at some points of the campaing, is just the same shit we have seen in tons of films, books and games over and over.

- Enemy AI sometimes is nowhere to be found.

Good Things:

+ It's fun to play. Adding melee/hack n slash elements to the core FPS experience is a total success. Thanks to that...

+ ...the gameplay becomes more varied than 95% of any FPS out there. You don't just shoot, cover and throw grenades: you can slice your enemies with katanas and knifes or smash them with hammers and iron bars in a third person perspective. Your enemies will do that as well, and you can block their attacks or dodge them.

+ There are a very generous amount of different kind of enemies. Each one requires a different strategy: shoot from distance, defeat them in close combat, combine both ways...

+ Boss battles are epic and quite challenging...

+ ...as is the game. Despite some moments of dumb enemy AI, you can't just run and kill everything you see. You need to study the area, find the enemies positions and act acording to it.

+ Multiplayer is just awesome, deep and has an over the top amount of content on it.

+ Music is just great. This is the aspect that surprised me the most about the game. The soundtrack is just too good for this game.


good analysis. So the cons are really mostly graphics and framerate drops which I believe most knew it months ago, which we thought that was fixed after the E3 2014 trailer.  there some issues also on the camera? are you bothered with that or you feel it is like that like the Ninja Gaiden, I think some would really critize it but some who are used from Ninja Gaiden would know how to play around it for sure.

on the multiplayer, pay to win type of mode?  meaning there are OP items when they use real money to upgrade their items against those who didnt buy any item from real money?  can you expound on this?  

 

For most of the game the camera feels just fine. However, during boss battles, where the enemies tend to move super fast, the camera can be a problem at times. I haven't played Ninja Gaiden (I really have to in the future), so I don't know how the camera worked in that game.

But now that you mention NG, I want to make something clear: Devil's Third is not a Hack n Slash, neither wants to be that. It's a FPS, with some third person combat going on. Some complaints I've read from analysts is that there are no combo system and that for the most part, you can't just run in TP mode and slice the enemies like it was Ninja Gaiden because enemies will kill you from distance. The thing is that hack n slash and melee mechanics of the game are not the core gameplay mechanics. That's the FPS shooter part. HNS and melee are just there to support the main thing and make the game more entertaining, purpose that acomplishes perfectly well. So guys, do not expect a HNS. Expect a FPS. A varied one, but a shooter at the end of the day.  There can't be a combo system, because if it was, the game would end up being something that Itagaki doesn't want to be. It's just silly from analysts to think that they can run with a katana in their hand on an open area filled with enemies with guns and expect to go victorious. No, you'll not xD

About the multiplayer, you win money and golden eggs by advancing in the campaing or leveling up on multiplayer.  Some weapons are quite expensive, but you will eventually have acces to them and you can try them before purchasing, so you can have the ones you want whithout wasting money on gear that you may not like (that includes melee weapons. Obviously, people who pay with real money have acces to the best gear from the beginning. But that doesn't really matter: I've been playing for 3 hours,I faced lots of people with better equipment than me and that didn't prevent me to win half the times. Strategy, skill and knowledge of the battlefield is far more important than having the best weapons. Someone with the base gear can beat the shit out of a pro-gear if he is good enough.



Volterra_90 on 29 August 2015

Well, if people enjoy the game good for them. That's what it's all about, fun! I personally don't see the appeal of the game, but I'm glad some people are enjoying it. I will wait for Super Mario Maker, though :P



Tachikoma on 29 August 2015

A lot of people love scat, clearly we don't know what the hell we're talking about when we say eating poo is disgusting.



FinalFantasyer on 29 August 2015
DevilRising said:
FinalFantasyer said:
Oh jeez, who to trust! Nintendo fanboys who finally got an exclusive 3rd party game or non-biased professional video game reviewers who do this for a living. Hmmmm....

That can go both ways.


"Professional" game reviewers are absolutely biased. There has not been a single un-biased one since the mid-90s. There was a time when actual game journalists who works for magazines like EGM and GamePro back when they were actually good, really DID give legitimately unbiased reviews, meaning that they reviewed the merits of the game, regardless of their personal opinions of it, or personal tastes. GamePro most especially, was the best at this in the early to mid 90s, because their ratings system did not have an aggregate score. They would rate each aspect of a game individually, from graphics, sounds, controls, fun factor, etc., so they would let you know if, say, a game had great graphics but shitty sound, or shitty gameplay. Or a game with crap graphics but amazing gameplay. Because they would score each thing seperately, and the reviews themselves would be an unbiased look at what the game is about. Period.

Zero personal opinions, just the facts of the game. And that was great, it was reliable.

 

Now? Not a chance. Even outlets that try to put forth an air of unbiasedness, such as GameTrailers, fail. IGN once had an ounce of credibility, but that too was many, many years ago.

 

These days, all ANY "professional" reviewer is, is no more or less than some gamer, just like any one of us, who just so happens to get paid to give their personal opinions. And that's it. Nothing unbiased or "professional" about it at all, except that they're getting paid, so they "must know what they're talking about".

 

On the other hand, yes gamer reviews and non-paid opinions are biased. Of course they are. EVERY opinion is biased, that is the nature of opinion. But I have found, at times, that you can trust "fan reviews" sometimes more than "pro reviews", because there have been cases where they will actually tell you more of what the game is about, and not just trying to get clicks, views, etc.

 

Either way, it would not surprise me at all that this game has wonky cameras, controls, a half-baked story, etc., but that is only because that has been how EVERY Itagaki game, especially the Ninja Gaiden 3D games, have always been. He was never known for high quality. And yet many people claimed to love his NG games, or DoA, or whatever.


One biased reviewer, two biased reviewers, three biased reviewers....how many of them do you suggest are biased? Because a couple of dozens of reviewers have reviewed D3rd and all gave it horrendous reviews. I doubt they all just picked a random game to hate on. There are tons of games out there who get fantastic feedback from all reviewers, so i dunno where this alleged bias comes from. And i doubt all reviewers get paid from developers for their scores or else they'll give out low scores, becauee that's the silliest thing i ever heard. Do you think Rockstar paid all the hundreds of critics who gave GTA 10/10? Please. Like you said, they are gamers too. Professional ones. Not angry fanboys who hate everything that isn't made from their favorite developer. 



PieToast on 29 August 2015

I don't know where the hyperbolic "us vs them" mentality came from when it comes to ALL video game critic. But it was never their job to tell you what game you should or shouldn't buy or if you can or cannot have fun with a certain game even if it was inherently flawed or had an awful critical reception. You're capable of independent thought, I think. So all of that is up for you to decide. 



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