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Samus Aran on 30 August 2015
twintail said:
Samus Aran said:

You were talking about companies and their exclusives not consoles.

And no the definition of exclusives has not changed, maybe to some Sony fans.

It's called context.  I was talkng about the consoles PS4, X1 and WIiU. The TC refers to 'sony' and 'microsoft' but everyone knows he is talking specifically about the 'PS4' and 'X1', and so was I. I just used his identifiers. Context.

Even publishers when annoucing games will use terms such as 'console exclusive' or 'exclusive to Xbox' etc. You need to broaden your understanding of how 'exclusive' is used.

Or you need to stop spinning the word exclusive.

 

Nor did I ever say that, but if the game does not run on X1, it cannot qualify as an X1 game let alone an X1 exclusive.

Same goes for PS4.

'let's not pretend this is anything more than a musou game'? So you threw in this comment for no reason except to... I dont even know.

Musou games are pretty bad.

And since DQ Heroes is released ONLY on PS4 in the US that makes it PS4 exclusive in the US for 2015. It's called 'context'. The TC is talking about the West and that is what everyone else is talking about. Is TR X1 only? 

Fair enough, I thought it was coming to the Vita as well, but that's the sequel.

I was not comparing them to Halo 5. I said the PS4 has a higher quantity of games that will appear on the PS4 and not the X1 as opposed to the reverse. 

And you need to realize that people think the xbone has better exclusives this year because they value bigger games over small PSN only titles.

I said Oct-Dec, so what is the 3rd X1 game? If it is Forza 6 then sorry bud, that is September.  Having more 'big games' does not negate PS4 having more games overall. But nice spin though. 

Kind of arbitrary to start counting from October, no? When people talk about the upcoming exclusives they don't just mean Fall, but all the games yet to come this year.

You talk big for someone who thinks the only changes to UCC are graphics (minimal you think?) and a photo mode. 

Let's please not pretend that the remaster has lot's of changes, they're subtle at best. And yes, the difference in graphics was minimal in the comparison videos I watched. That's what happens when you remaster games that still looked good to begin with.





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mornelithe on 30 August 2015
teigaga said:
Sony are not consciously taking a loss, their big games just aren't ready for 2015 lol.

I'm sure they would much rather have Uncharted 4 and The Last Guardian ready for this year if they could. It could mean they could go this holiday without having a price cut or excessive deals but I think we're going to see one (price cut) this fall, even if just temporary before the eventual big $100 drop

Personally, I think they did it on purpose.  People like exclusives, yes, but there are a handful of extremely popular franchises releasing this holiday season (Star Wars, Fallout 4, CoD) and if I had to guess, Sony simply wanted to give their exclusives a launch window that wasn't sandwhich'd between massive sellers, especially massive sellers they have ad deals over (Star Wars and CoD).  For me, it doesn't make sense to launch Uncharted 4, at the same time as the above, because many gamers will have a limit on how many games they can buy at one time.  



Samus Aran on 30 August 2015
twintail said:

Samus Aran said:

 

Or you need to stop spinning the word exclusive.

Nor did I ever say that, but if the game does not run on X1, it cannot qualify as an X1 game let alone an X1 exclusive.

Same goes for PS4.

'let's not pretend this is anything more than a musou game'? So you threw in this comment for no reason except to... I dont even know.

Musou games are pretty bad.

And since DQ Heroes is released ONLY on PS4 in the US that makes it PS4 exclusive in the US for 2015. It's called 'context'. The TC is talking about the West and that is what everyone else is talking about. Is TR X1 only? 

Fair enough, I thought it was coming to the Vita as well, but that's the sequel.

I was not comparing them to Halo 5. I said the PS4 has a higher quantity of games that will appear on the PS4 and not the X1 as opposed to the reverse. 

And you need to realize that people think the xbone has better exclusives this year because they value bigger games over small PSN only titles.I said Oct-Dec, so what is the 3rd X1 game? If it is Forza 6 then sorry bud, that is September.  Having more 'big games' does not negate PS4 having more games overall. But nice spin though. 

Kind of arbitrary to start counting from October, no? When people talk about the upcoming exclusives they don't just mean Fall, but all the games yet to come this year. 

You talk big for someone who thinks the only changes to UCC are graphics (minimal you think?) and a photo mode. 

Let's please not pretend that the remaster has lot's of changes, they're subtle at best. And yes, the difference in graphics was minimal in the comparison videos I watched. That's what happens when you remaster games that still looked good to begin with.

 

Subtle? haha whatever you want to believe bro. whatever you want to believe. 

 

 

I used the exact same word the developers used when describing the remaster actually. ;)

So yeah...

I'm still curious why PS exclusive counts (PS3, PS Vita, PS4), but Windows exclusive doesn't.

And you can't have a discussion like this without taking quality and size of the games into account. Even Sony themselves admitted their line-up wasn't good for the rest of the year.



Zoombael on 30 August 2015
Samus Aran said:
twintail said:

Samus Aran said:

 

Or you need to stop spinning the word exclusive.

Nor did I ever say that, but if the game does not run on X1, it cannot qualify as an X1 game let alone an X1 exclusive.

Same goes for PS4.

'let's not pretend this is anything more than a musou game'? So you threw in this comment for no reason except to... I dont even know.

Musou games are pretty bad.

And since DQ Heroes is released ONLY on PS4 in the US that makes it PS4 exclusive in the US for 2015. It's called 'context'. The TC is talking about the West and that is what everyone else is talking about. Is TR X1 only? 

Fair enough, I thought it was coming to the Vita as well, but that's the sequel.

I was not comparing them to Halo 5. I said the PS4 has a higher quantity of games that will appear on the PS4 and not the X1 as opposed to the reverse. 

And you need to realize that people think the xbone has better exclusives this year because they value bigger games over small PSN only titles.I said Oct-Dec, so what is the 3rd X1 game? If it is Forza 6 then sorry bud, that is September.  Having more 'big games' does not negate PS4 having more games overall. But nice spin though. 

Kind of arbitrary to start counting from October, no? When people talk about the upcoming exclusives they don't just mean Fall, but all the games yet to come this year. 

You talk big for someone who thinks the only changes to UCC are graphics (minimal you think?) and a photo mode. 

Let's please not pretend that the remaster has lot's of changes, they're subtle at best. And yes, the difference in graphics was minimal in the comparison videos I watched. That's what happens when you remaster games that still looked good to begin with.

 

Subtle? haha whatever you want to believe bro. whatever you want to believe. 

 

 

I used the exact same word the developers used when describing the remaster actually. ;)

So yeah...

I'm still curious why PS exclusive counts (PS3, PS Vita, PS4), but Windows exclusive doesn't.

And you can't have a discussion like this without taking quality and size of the games into account. Even Sony themselves admitted their line-up wasn't good for the rest of the year.


FIRST party line up. And not for the rest but the whole year.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-admits-ps4-first-party-lineup-this-year-is-a-/1100-6427614/

Besides that, if Sonys line up isn't good for the rest of the year, then what is Microsofts? Non existent?

 

"I'm still curious why PS exclusive counts (PS3, PS Vita, PS4), but Windows exclusive doesn't."

Because then you could add PC exclusives in general?

 

"And you need to realize that people think the xbone has better exclusives this year because they value bigger games over small PSN only titles."

To me it appears like they value the same old same old. And think nothing else but that is enough. What makes me shrug my shoulders when i hear Halo and Forza over and over again. I put as much hours of gameplay into one of those small PSN only titles as into Bloodborne.



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slab_of_bacon on 30 August 2015

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maxleresistant on 30 August 2015

People never take into account that manufacturers make lots of money out of the royalties.

Did you see the numbers when it comes to third party games? Between One and PS4 there is a 2:1 ratio in favor of playstation.

I'm really not worried for sony, they could stop making first party games and still sell lots of PS4. People just love the machine



rick44 on 30 August 2015

I don't get does the op meen loss in term of sales or quality of exclusives because the latter is subjective.



Luke888 on 30 August 2015

where's my option in the poll "both cuz I'm Italian" ? /ot

I honestly dunno, I don't think PS4 will get price cuts until at least half 2016...



Arkaign on 30 August 2015

Third party games absolutely dominate the modern gaming landscape.

Sony will do very well this holiday/rest of 2015.
If anything, someone who puts too much emphasis on exclusives should worry about MS in 2016+. Halo 6 couldn't get here before a very long time, Forza 7 a bit shorter but 2017 at the earliest, and .. what else was there?

In reality, Microsoft won't be doomed in 2016+ just because their biggest exclusives already dropped previously.

By this point in the gen, we know what to expect. There are few/no surprises left.



Alby_da_Wolf on 30 August 2015
Fei-Hung said:
If they announce GT7 at PGS with a demo being released this year or a prologue, it could work miracles

A demo and GT7 announcement would be very good for marketing, but without immediate benefits, GT7 announcement and Prologue OTOH would be excellent both for PS4 and GT series itself also in the short term.



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