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cycycychris said:

An exemplary game system includes a monitor for displaying a game image or a television program, and a terminal device having a camera, a microphone, and a loudspeaker. When a user is playing a game or viewing a television program by using the monitor, another user can have chat by using the terminal device.”

An information processing system is capable of communicating with an external apparatus via a network. The information processing system is capable of operating in at least three operation modes including: a first mode; a second mode, which consumes less power than the first mode; and a third mode, which consumes less power than the second mode and where the communication via the network is not performed.”

This clearly indicates on something similar like gamepad, handheld connected on home console, or some sort of hybrid device.



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Tachikoma said:
So they are just going to spend the next few months playing on XBO and PS4 and applying for patents to all of the features they like? right.


What they where doing before wasnt working.

Nothing wrong with looking at the competitors and saying "why is this thing selling more than ours? whats it do that ours doesnt?"

 

"imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"



Tachikoma said:

An exemplary game system includes a monitor for displaying a game image or a television program, and a terminal device having a camera, a microphone, and a loudspeaker. When a user is playing a game or viewing a television program by using the monitor, another user can have chat by using the terminal device.”

Using external device as a chat interface...

You can chat with friends, manage friends list, buy games, etc on Xbox One via Smartglass, and do the same things on PlayStation 4 using the PlayStation companion app, feel free to show me a nintendo "twist" here.

“An information processing system is capable of communicating with an external apparatus via a network. The information processing system is capable of operating in at least three operation modes including: a first mode; a second mode, which consumes less power than the first mode; and a third mode, which consumes less power than the second mode and where the communication via the network is not performed.”


Both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 have three power modes, On, Suspend and Standby, the "external apparatus via a network" is just "communicating with a server", when in Suspend network functions still work for downloading updates and games, when in Standby the network functionality is turned off too, again feel free to show me a nintendo "twist" here.

Fact of the matter is, if Microsoft or Sony were applying for patents on things that the WiiU or 3DS does, the Nintendo crowd would be having a field day pulling up the usual "sony / microsoft copies!" images, but since it's Nintendo, the one that's supposed to be the innovative one, it gets a free pass.

Mind you, when it comes from a site that posts something like this as "news" - http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/rumor-sony-starting-campaign-damage-wii-u/ the source being a mind numbingly idiotic fanboy called Tilmen who has, on multiple occasions been shown to be completely full of shit - it pretty much says it all.


The twist is that Smart Glass and the companion app don't come bundled with the system. It's not an intergral part of the consoles' experiences. The aren't integrated into the ecosytem of the consoles because they're external features hardly anyone will have the incentive to use. That's like talking about remote play as if it's the same as off TV play. It's not, just by the merit that every Wii U comes with a gamepad and every game is built with off T.V. play as an expected feature, both to be integrated and used. When you buy a Wii U, off T.V. play is part of your intended experience. When you buy a PS4 or a Vita, remote play is not.

When the NX comes out and the main gimmick is the ability to play the same games on different platforms, is that just a copy of crossbuy/play/save on the PS3/Vita? No. Why? Because those systems weren't built from the ground up since inception to best utilize those features. Because the OS and the UI and the way games are designed for the platform aren't informed and influenced in a significant or integral way by crossbuy/save/play like the NX will. That's the twist.

You got me though. I was only talking about the one patent, so I don't know fuck all the relevance of the powersave one. Not that I care. The ability to put your console to sleep isn't exciting to think or talk about.

Of course people would have a field day. What on earth could Microsoft or Sony patent that wouldn't be copying something Nintendo uniquely does? Seriously. These patents are merely minor tweaks to industry standards everyone practices. It isn't copying. It's assimilating. When Nintendo breaks sales records with a two piece motion controller that only they use, and then Sony comes out with the exact same thing, but in black, yeah, it's copying. If Nintendo tomorrow filed a patent specifically for a touchpad on their controller or a camera that came with every NX that allowed you to talk to it Siri style to direct the console without using the controller, then your example would hold water. But they haven't, and it doesn't.

No one's saying Nintendo created group chat, and no one's making it out like they are revolutionizing the industry with their take on group chat, but making a patent for your specific brand of group chat isn't copying just as much as it isn't brand knew innovation.

EDIT: Also, do you not write/moderate for the site anymore?



JRPGfan said:
Tachikoma said:
So they are just going to spend the next few months playing on XBO and PS4 and applying for patents to all of the features they like? right.


What they where doing before wasnt working.

Nothing wrong with looking at the competitors and saying "why is this thing selling more than ours? whats it do that ours doesnt?"

 

"imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

Indeed there isn't, but trying to patent the ideas you're taking?



spemanig said:

What on earth could Microsoft or Sony patent that wouldn't be copying something Nintendo uniquely does?


but making a patent for your specific brand of group chat isn't copying 

One rule for one, one rule for another.

And no, I quit.



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Tachikoma US patent system is really weird and messed up.
Its like how apple could sue someone for makeing a retangular phone, or because of a colour.
Even the Icon thing, was way over the top.

 

If nintendo is copying something the others do, but they havnt patented, maybe nintendo ends up sueing them afterwards.



DélioPT said:
"...real-time changes to environment based on certain conditions".

Now, this sounds really interesting!

Thats what I thought as well! Thats the most interesting part of this whole thing, and least discussed one.

I wonder how this will work, will it be some sort of program that will be implemented in every game or some thing? Wouldnt it be cool if the console could read the weather in you area and SHOW THAT in the game? 



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Tachikoma said:
spemanig said:

What on earth could Microsoft or Sony patent that wouldn't be copying something Nintendo uniquely does?


but making a patent for your specific brand of group chat isn't copying 

One rule for one, one rule for another.

And no, I quit.


No. Still the same rule. Group chat is something can be done on Xbox, Playstation, and PC. It's a universal, standard feature in gaming. Again, making a patent for the unique way you do something that everyone else already does isn't copying. It assimilating. If Microsoft released a XBO controller 2.0, and it had a giant touch screen on it, and it was bundled with every new XBO from that point on, and every game on the XBO from then on had a map and inventory on the bottom screen, that's copying.

I'm surprised. You being a mod "made sense."



spemanig said:
Tachikoma said:

One rule for one, one rule for another.

And no, I quit.


No. Still the same rule. Group chat is something can be done on Xbox, Playstation, and PC. It's a universal, standard feature in gaming. Again, making a patent for the unique way you do something that everyone else already does isn't copying. It assimilating. If Microsoft released a XBO controller 2.0, and it had a giant touch screen on it, and it was bundled with every new XBO from that point on, and every game on the XBO from then on had a map and inventory on the bottom screen, that's copying.

I'm surprised. You being a mod "made sense."

I think I understand where you're coming from spemanig. It's like saying Xbox copied Nintendo when they used the d-pad or analog stick, but they didn't since it was already industry standards when they joined the race. Right?



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Paatar said:
Platina said:
Sounds interesting, but hopefully, the console will be powerful enough to get back some of the 3rd party devs..


I've said this before and I'll say it again, power is not the reason 3rd parties left the Wii U.

Pretty much. Maybe some of the Japanese 3rd parties will come back to Nintendo if the NX is capable enough, but definitely not the Western ones.



                
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