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What is your opinion on the Ashley Madison Hack?

Website is at fault 10 3.36%
 
Website and users are at fault 34 11.41%
 
Everyone subject to hacking is a victim 44 14.77%
 
All cheaters should get screwed 75 25.17%
 
Cheating is no big deal, ... 8 2.68%
 
I hope I am not among the names leaked 11 3.69%
 
I keep my Love Pillow awa... 1 0.34%
 
Hackers, cheaters and the... 30 10.07%
 
The people cheated on and... 41 13.76%
 
I don't care. 44 14.77%
 
Total:298

I knew of this earlier when the story first broke. It's kinda interesting because a lot of people from all walks of life were exposed as cheaters. It's a really good that it all happened because it exposed cheaters for what they are. I think that cheating on the person you're in a relationship with is wrong unless it's something that is mutually allowed and agreed to. 

In my opinion, the website owners aren't liable for anything. If the cheaters weren't using the website to cheat to begin with, they wouldn't of gotten caught. The website business is pretty much ruined with the hacks/leaks. The true victims out of this were the people that were cheated on.



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Imo people were aware of the risks when they signed up for the site, the law suit against the site is bizarre because really it should mean that any other organization that's been hacked and had information leaked could be sued which is a can of worms.

The owners may be liable for information they didn't delete as promised when people close their accounts with the site but for everyone else the situation is up in the air tbh.



CladInShadows said:
ganoncrotch said:
CladInShadows said:
The hackers are at fault. The website is negligent. The users of the Ashley Madison service are 100% victims.

All the "holier than thou" moral police who think these people deserved their fate are disgusting people. Mind your own business and realize that people were victims of a crime. Last I checked, infidelity wasn't a crime, while hacking and stealing sensitive information most certainly is.

If it wasn't mentioned already to you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#Adultery_and_the_law it is a crime in many places. a lot of US states have it criminalized and also in loads of other countries it can be cited as reasons for divorce often favouring the "cheated on" partner in terms of possession of the assets/kids.

Adultery isn't fine because a site selling it said it's fine to do, that's bad logic.

I live in Canada.  I don't care about the 21 states that decided it was illegal.  And I never said adultery was fine. All I'm saying is that hackers and social justice warriors on the internet have no right to decide what is and isn't fine and enact some punishment.

Oh right you're just referring to your local laws then and not from a global point of view like this website and it's users, wasn't aware of that.

Regarding your second reply to me... well it's vows you take when getting married not to do that, so... err... the people who made the vows decided it would be immoral to cheat? or are you just talking about what is moral in your country? or... in your house? I'm a little bit lost but don't care for directions if I'm honest.



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TheLastStarFighter said:
ganoncrotch said:


I find this very odd, the thought that some things are better off being lied about forever and that the family would be better off not knowing that someone was spending their families incoming to have sex with another married person... it's nuts.

Would be like someone having a go at the courts for bringing people up for fraud... like everyone was fine with it until the damn courts said about it, how dare they ruin lives of people who cheat!! like I said, nuts imo.

Your response is not what I said.  I never said that things are better being lied about.  What I am saying, is that's for the individual situations and liers to sort out, not some idiot in a basement on a computer who knows nothing about the situation.  Ask yourself this question:

Who  did a worse act:

-A man who cheated on his wife.

-A man who revealed information, the result of which caused 27 suicides, combined centuries of sadness and depression to harmed individuals, 100s of children who had difficult lives due to broken homes and depressed parents, perhaps resulting in their own drug addictions or crimes, and thousands more broken formerly healthy relationships for no reason because of individuals who had used Ashley Madison as a joke or possibly had their email stolen.

I'm not saying no-knowledge, no-harm.  What I'm saying is it's not the place of an interenet hacker to decide, and there is no question the hacker's actions will directly result in far more real-world harm.

Again, people who commit crimes get put in jail which causes strain on their families or it causes people who done moderately joke crimes like not paying parking tickets end up being raped or becoming hard drug addicted criminals in jail, end of the day... you aren't going to blame a cop for arresting someone in the first place, cause and effect, those who had signed up and made accounts on a website designed for cheating with their real information (would love to know what kind of derp would use their real info to stalk people they know on a site like this)

I'm going to keep going back to this, but if a guy hid the fact that he used this site (or visa versa) who was married, they took vows that their wealth is shared, which means when the guy is using "his money" to pay to cheat on his wife, he is using 50% of her cash to do it... I find that pretty fucked up if I'm honest.

Like even if you happen to live in a country where the act of cheating is not legally doing something wrong, then using your spouses money without her knowledge to pay for this service is theft. (of course in other countries different vows are taken too, I can appreciate that)

 

tl:dr - who is wrong? the person who cheated, end of story.



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In principle: fuck this shit. Don't mess with people private data like that

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ganoncrotch said:
CladInShadows said:
ganoncrotch said:
CladInShadows said:
The hackers are at fault. The website is negligent. The users of the Ashley Madison service are 100% victims.

All the "holier than thou" moral police who think these people deserved their fate are disgusting people. Mind your own business and realize that people were victims of a crime. Last I checked, infidelity wasn't a crime, while hacking and stealing sensitive information most certainly is.

If it wasn't mentioned already to you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#Adultery_and_the_law it is a crime in many places. a lot of US states have it criminalized and also in loads of other countries it can be cited as reasons for divorce often favouring the "cheated on" partner in terms of possession of the assets/kids.

Adultery isn't fine because a site selling it said it's fine to do, that's bad logic.

I live in Canada.  I don't care about the 21 states that decided it was illegal.  And I never said adultery was fine. All I'm saying is that hackers and social justice warriors on the internet have no right to decide what is and isn't fine and enact some punishment.

Oh right you're just referring to your local laws then and not from a global point of view like this website and it's users, wasn't aware of that.

Regarding your second reply to me... well it's vows you take when getting married not to do that, so... err... the people who made the vows decided it would be immoral to cheat? or are you just talking about what is moral in your country? or... in your house? I'm a little bit lost but don't care for directions if I'm honest.

If you follow the various laws of the various states, provinces, and countries, you will find a lot of fucked up achaic shit that isn't often enforced.  But let's just say that these 21 states DO enforce that law.  Then it's the job of the authorities to either do that, or ignore it accordingly. 

You're not really getting my point anyways.  Let's back away from the actual morality of cheating.  I personally thing it's wrong to cheat on your loved one.  You'll get no argument from me there. But my point is that an outside random entity of unknown ethics on the internet being judge, jurer, and executioner is absolutely a bad thing.  There are a lot of things that are perfectly harmless that can be seen as being immoral to any number of groups. Any number of private things that you or I do on a regular basis could become the target of some attack, just because these people with hacking skills don't like it.  That's my problem with this whole situation.



CladInShadows said:

If you follow the various laws of the various states, provinces, and countries, you will find a lot of fucked up achaic shit that isn't often enforced.  But let's just say that these 21 states DO enforce that law.  Then it's the job of the authorities to either do that, or ignore it accordingly. 

You're not really getting my point anyways.  Let's back away from the actual morality of cheating.  I personally thing it's wrong to cheat on your loved one.  You'll get no argument from me there. But my point is that an outside random entity of unknown ethics on the internet being judge, jurer, and executioner is absolutely a bad thing.  There are a lot of things that are perfectly harmless that can be seen as being immoral to any number of groups. Any number of private things that you or I do on a regular basis could become the target of some attack, just because these people with hacking skills don't like it.  That's my problem with this whole situation.

This.  Additionally, everyone who laughs at this as 'justice', then cries about bank hacks, insurance hacks etc... are a bunch of hypocrites.  And I'd also suggest anyone who's actually purposefully looked at the Ashley Madison data, is as scummy as the cheaters they decry, and the hackers who did it.



Fuck cheaters. Everyone that got caught deserved it and whatever happens because of it.



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gamingpotato7 said:
Soundwave said:


If having one single partner all your life is natural then your body should "naturally" turn off any type of attraction to anyone else the moment you find "the one". But we all know that certainly doesn't happen. 

I'm in a happy commited relationship too, to a very attractive woman, but I'm not going to lie and say I change the channel when I see a sexy woman on the TV or I've never, ever once while dating her ever thought of having sex with a different girl. Pretty much all married men look at porn, and they sure as hell are not thinking about their wife when going through their porn stash. 

I know people who are in 30+ year relationships and didn't even know each other before marriage (arranged marriage) and honestly their marriage is stronger than anyone elses marriage that I know. But that doesn't mean romance or the courtship period is completely invalid. 

Modern marriage is just a man made creation to keep society somewhat more streamlined and mostly to protect the rights of a woman for the sake of child rearing. If there was some terrible war/plague or something that wiped out say 90% of humanity, their value system would likely change in a hurry and men would likely be encouraged to fuck and women would be encouraged to be promiscious because it would be advantagous to society to repopulate quickly.

But that's kinda beside the point in this instance (though a fun conversation), I don't think the hackers are in the right. 


Modern marriage is marriage. A creation. That doesn't mean that family is a modern invention. Humans saw that building a family had better chances of survival and having better offspring. Men, much like apes, have "defense" mechanisms against infidelity like stronger sperm than other men, having more desire for the spouse after a long time without seeing her because of fear of her being with other men and building more sperm in the testicles to defeat the other men's sperm.

Also, why do you keep shaming men? Are you that feminist that you think women should be put in a pedestal and all the shit they do is because the man was a wuss? Or do you just think you, as a man, is an irrational primate that can justify his actions because of this and can't help him?


"Also, why do you keep shaming men?"

 

good question i wondered if i was the only person that noticed that

i suppose he's one of these guys that thinks women are too repressed in our current society and honestly i'd agree because i believe in freedom

meaning if you are an adult you should be free to make your own choices whether that be sleeping with everyone or sleeping with no one

the thing is though that controlling female sexuality is what allowed a fairly stable society to develop in the past and the lifting of these controls is leading to chaos for the future

this is why tissues like he instances of single motherhood are growing more and more, but i have no real opinion for or against that because again if it is the will of grown adults then so be it