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I would be OK with that! It would be much better than a digital only console, that's for sure!



                
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Good, it's about time one of the console manufacturers got with the times. Releasing a console without a disk drive will cut down expenses which means cheaper hardware for the user, allow for 100% backwards compatibility on all software in the future, and is just far more convenient for everyone. There is no benefit to having data on multiple disks instead of just one disk, which can be accessed through your account on multiple devices and all future devices which access the platform - with additional disks, the old mediums become obsolete and therefore unplayable on more up to date consoles, which is neither a progressive or convenient approach.



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Soundwave said:

Who says it's 10x the price of a disc? I can get 32GB SD Cards if I'm willing to order in 1000 pieces bulk for about $1 a pop. Imagine the price for Nintendo ordering 5 million of them. 

Even if it is literally 10x the cost of a disc, if a disc costs 10 cents to press, that means the cartridge you're talking about is ... $1 at a production level. 

 

3-3.5c per GB? Where? How? And then what class? The HDDs in the PS4/Xbone have a reading speed of up to 100MB/s. Which isn't really great. A Class 10 SD card has a certified reading speed of.. 10MB/s indeed. One sure can't run modern games on it. There would be pop-ins all over. Then 32GB aren't enough. And a console needs internal (fast) storage as well for patches. Which can get just huge nowdays.

Sure SD cards for selling games is under consideration by all for the future consoles, but I'm afraid it's still a bit too early in terms of costs for it.



Aielyn said:
Eddie_Raja said:

3DS cartridge holds 128MB - 8GB.  Good luck fitting modern games on that buddy, oh and they will read as fast as a CD-ROM.

You do realise that console games cost more than handheld games anyway, right? And the 3DS is old tech, now, and its cards are designed to be very small, you'd assume that they'd be able to go larger with a console system.

Realistically, a 64 GB cartridge would be sufficient for the vast majority of games. If the next console comes out in 2017, it would be about the right time for an upgrade in data space without significantly increasing costs.

And what makes you think it will "read as fast as a CD-ROM"?


Look up 3DS cartridge speeds if you dont believe me.  Even a cheap 64GB USB will cost them at least $20 instead of $0.50 for q blue ray.  That destroys your profits and is one of the Main reasons the N64 made so much less money than the PS1 (even accounting for marketshare differences).  There is a reason some people here arent in charge of companies like Nintendo, and it is because they would make idiotic profit destroying choices like the ones being proposed in this thread.



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Soundwave said:

Who says it's 10x the price of a disc? I can get 32GB SD Cards if I'm willing to order in 1000 pieces bulk for about $1 a pop. Imagine the price for Nintendo ordering 5 million of them. 

Even if it is literally 10x the cost of a disc, if a disc costs 10 cents to press, that means the cartridge you're talking about is ... $1 at a production level. 

Not exactly earth shattering. It isn't the 90s or even 2000s anymore, flash memory has indeed become dirt cheap and there are work-arounds to these situations. 

To be honest I could see some developers going with 16GB cards, which can store likely the first large chunk (several hours worth) of most games, and then the rest just downloads quietly onto the HDD. That's something you could not do in the N64 days, and this is something that's even done on the PS4/X1 all the time ... half the damn games on the system you can't even play because there's some patch or a ton of data that wasn't on the disc for what ever reason. 

The format really isn't going to decide anything. What demographics Nintendo can bring in and to what number of those they can get is ultimately what a third party is going to look at when deciding how much (if any) support will be given. 


As opposed to discs with 2x the space in the same bulk for 10 cents a pop. Let's not act like that isn't a significant difference, because it is. Why would any sane developer look at the PS4 where it costs X to ship their game, look at the XBO where it costs X to ship their game, and then look at the NX where it costs significantly more to port the exact same game and go "WORTH IT." It doesn't matter if it isn't earth shattering. The difference is significant with absolutely no benefit to the developer at all. The aren't going to simply pay more just for the joy of it, and they aren't going to hike up the price of just the NX version.

No, they'd use the larger cards, just like they use larger discs.

Of course the format will decide something. It'll decide if Nintendo even has a chance at third party support to begin with. With carts, which aren't happening, the answer is a loud no.



Kagerow said:

Partial agreement and disagreement there, I don't think 2016 being too soon for complete digital is absurd. In fact, opposite is true, 2016 is absurdly soon for going complete digital... For investor perspective. No sane investor will allow Nintendo to take such expensive risk right after Wii U's failure. Not that any of the actual executives in Nintendo is going to listen to them after ignoring 4 years of endless whining from every stock holders.

Only thing that fundamentally prevents innovative idea and technology is its price, and if Steam taught us anything it is that going digital is more profitable than going physical

Yes, good internet is not available everywhere yet. But expecting nothing is going to change is more absurd, and factually wrong. (1)

Since Nintendo is openly embracing USB 3.0, it won't be too difficult to release external optical drive new console for people who still want to use physical drive. This will effectively spread out the price of console, allowing Nintendo to place console at more appealing price point.

Spemaning's analysis and evaluation isn't really too farfetched.

1. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150625145236.htm


I don't think it's as much of a risk as people think it is, and if investors let Nintendo do the Wii after the GCN, they'll "allow" an all digital platform after the Wii U.



I wouldn't mind an 100% only digital console *shrugs*



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spemanig said:
Aielyn said:

You do realise that console games cost more than handheld games anyway, right? And the 3DS is old tech, now, and its cards are designed to be very small, you'd assume that they'd be able to go larger with a console system.

Realistically, a 64 GB cartridge would be sufficient for the vast majority of games. If the next console comes out in 2017, it would be about the right time for an upgrade in data space without significantly increasing costs.

And what makes you think it will "read as fast as a CD-ROM"?


Um, yeah it would significantly increase costs, compared to discs on competing platform, which is exactly what killed N64 support. Carts are not happening at all. They aren't suggested in the patent, and people are just getting antsy because the patent proves that NX will be all digital and people can't handle it.

Increase costs compared with 3DS carts. 3DS carts clearly aren't too expensive, and if they can do 8 GB at a decent price for 3DS, I'm sure they could easily do at least 32 GB at a decent price in a couple more years, with a larger form factor, without a significant increase in costs.

And no, the patent doesn't prove a thing, except that they're considering a digital-only option. Indeed, the patent SPECIFICALLY refers to a version with an optical drive as a potential variation.



Costs permitting, I don't see a problem. I think they're faster, and I also imagine they are more durable. That should be two major advantages over optical storage media.