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Azzanation on 26 August 2015
Protendo said:
Azzanation said:


Notice I wasn't even the first to mention it. It's a well known fact.

I also recommend you be nicer to other members. Your direct attacking of members (against the rules) needs to be stopped.

elektranine said:
Lol I wonder how much of the $750,000 'grant' Polygon received from Microsoft went towards this "Controversial Opinion" promoting a game owned by Microsoft.

To think the piece that Microsoft gave "$750,000" to Polygon for had a budget of less than a "$75,000". Money well spent. It's a shame when things like this go public.


Care to explain why your bringing up Microsoft in a Thread about Nintendo and Rare? Honestly if you got nothing good to say then dont say it.



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S.Peelman on 26 August 2015

On the "Mario aged well topic"; It most certainly did age very well. One of the best, if not the best examples of a 5th gen game that could stand the test of time.

In fact, I often find the camera-work and the fluidity and responsiveness of the controls to be better than in most modern games. Graphics are basic and blocky maybe, but the style is still timeless. It's easy to 'blame' this on an overused word like 'nostalgia', but I could really pick up and play this game any day.



AZWification on 26 August 2015
Miyamotoo said:
oniyide said:

i actually agree that SM64 hasnt aged well and its not just the graphics

I currently playing SM64 on Wii U VC and only problem that SM64 has is bad camera, its still great game even today.

The sub-par camera is the only problem I really have with Mario 64 and even that one is not too bad! The level design and controls are still as great as the first time I played the game.



                
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oniyide on 28 August 2015
Miyamotoo said:
oniyide said:

i actually agree that SM64 hasnt aged well and its not just the graphics

I currently playing SM64 on Wii U VC and only problem that SM64 has is bad camera, its still great game even today.


i think the level design and the whole structure of the game leaves alot to be desired, but thats just me



NobleTeam360 on 28 August 2015

Never played either but I'll read everyone's else's comments about it who have.



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AZWification on 29 August 2015
oniyide said:
Miyamotoo said:

I currently playing SM64 on Wii U VC and only problem that SM64 has is bad camera, its still great game even today.


i think the level design and the whole structure of the game leaves alot to be desired, but thats just me

What's wrong with the level design?



                
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Cobretti2 on 29 August 2015
JWeinCom said:
I disagree, although there was a time when I might have agreed.

The more complex structure she mentions is something that differentiates Banjo from Mario 64 in a nice way, but it also limits the replayability of the game. Super Mario 64 is simply a lot better to pop in and pop out of, While in Banjo I feel like I have to do a whole world in one sitting. The way moves are implemented also makes it so that you can't hop into worlds as freely as you'd like or you'll frustratingly find many jiggies that will be frustratingly out of reach.

In controls I find Mario 64 better. Sure Banjo and Kazooie have a more interesting move set, but Mario feels much more agile and satisfying to control.

Both great games, but Mario 64's the one I want to go back to time after time. That being said, the video did make me want to play some Banjo.


This is how I feel. Also I do like the soundtrack of mario better. Maybe not so much on its own  to listen to compared to banjo but i think for me anyway it gels better with the level you playing.



 

 

JWeinCom on 29 August 2015
Cobretti2 said:
JWeinCom said:
I disagree, although there was a time when I might have agreed.

The more complex structure she mentions is something that differentiates Banjo from Mario 64 in a nice way, but it also limits the replayability of the game. Super Mario 64 is simply a lot better to pop in and pop out of, While in Banjo I feel like I have to do a whole world in one sitting. The way moves are implemented also makes it so that you can't hop into worlds as freely as you'd like or you'll frustratingly find many jiggies that will be frustratingly out of reach.

In controls I find Mario 64 better. Sure Banjo and Kazooie have a more interesting move set, but Mario feels much more agile and satisfying to control.

Both great games, but Mario 64's the one I want to go back to time after time. That being said, the video did make me want to play some Banjo.


This is how I feel. Also I do like the soundtrack of mario better. Maybe not so much on its own  to listen to compared to banjo but i think for me anyway it gels better with the level you playing.

Banjo has pretty good music for each stage while Mario 64 has some really really minimalistic themes for some levels that are meh.  But, Mario 64 also has some amazing tracks like the theme for the water worlds and Bowser's theme.  Banjo's a bit more consistent, but I'd give the overall edge to Mario.



FragilE^ on 29 August 2015
DivinePaladin said:
Polygon IS king of controversial opinions in gaming, so I'm not surprised to see this from them. I have some doubts as to whether the writer actually feels this way, because Polygon, but hey, believe what you wanna believe. I'll sit over here in my corner of "DK64 is good" with approximately nobody else.


I'll gladly join your little corner :D I love that game.

 

As for the OP, Mario showed the way. It would be strange if no one else improved on it, but it doesn't change the fact that Mario started it.

So, historical impact/importance vs later-game-who-may-or-may-not-have-done-it-slightly-better

 

Its the same argument when people claim Ocarina of Time is the best game ever made. Games these days can certainly be better, but it is really difficult to be as important for the entire industry as Ocarina was. Depends on how you judge what is "better". I think we can all agree that they are good though :>



thatguymarco on 29 August 2015

I disagree, Banjo can't do acrobatics for shit, without those, 3D platformers become even more boring than haters make them out to be.



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