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Jimbo1337 on 29 August 2015
Insidb said:

You are not wrong about his current ascent; the media coverage has made that obious, but we must contenxtualize this phenomenon. This ascent is very early in the primaries and very far away from the general election. He is leading GOP candidates, but there are many miles to go and much dirt to dig and throw. Keep in mind that those are the very same demographics that baced Romney in a losing campaign, and he was far less offensive in his loss. The firsr debate, as I'm sure you noticed, has way too many candidates to produce any meaninful insign on any of them (We heard snippets on talking points.). As the candidates dwindle, they will become more aggressive and damaging. Fully expect Trump to get slammed like "corporate raider" Romney and have the middle class step out on him. With regards to SC, those polls are largely irrelevant; this is a bastion for the GOP: taking poll numbers from a Red State is akin to tracking Hillary in NY. 

I'm not going to snow you, because you seem to be a person who (rightfully) wants qualification for debate points. Here is an aggregate of all the major 2016 general election polls, and Clinton is leading all of them v. Trump (including Fox):

http://www.270towin.com/2016-polls/2016-general-election-matchups/

As you have said, this is very early in the primaries and you need to look no further than the past three months to see the general trend.  As I have stated before, Trump continues to ascend in the polls while Hillary Clinton continues to drop like the 2008 stock market.  I feel it is more alarming that the leading democratic candidate is dropping so fast in the polls, with no signs of improving, in comparison to some hunch that Trump can't keep this success up for a couple more months and will likely falter.  Since you provided me that link, then me and you both know what that poll looked like just two months ago....enough said.

Hillary Clinton is showing no signs of increase because her media coverage consists of her answering the email scandal or making offensive comments by comparing the republican candidates to terrorists.  I feel that this comment is clearly over-the-top and far worse than anything that Trump has said. Another interesting point is that the media hasn't even started talking about the Clinton Foundation, which will only garner her more negativity and decrease the time for Hillary to talk about her policies.  I have been watching the news on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX and I don't even know where she stands on anything.  When asked about the alaskan pipeline, she said to vote for me first and then I will tell you.    Meanwhile, people complain that Trump isn't giving specifics on his policies while Hillary Clinton is shying away from the media or roping them off like cattle. To this day, I still don't understand how someone can vote for a person that is currently being investigated by the FBI.  Perhaps you could explain your reasoning or the mindset of other democratic voters.

I feel bad for the Democrats to be honest.  They have Hillary Clinton who is being investigated by the FBI, Sanders who is a socialist, and Biden who captured less than 1% of the vote in 2008.  These are your democratic candidates? I am so so sorry.

I wouldn't say that the SC poll is irrevalant at all.  In fact, I would argue the complete opposite.  New York, where Trump was born, is regarded as one of the top ten democratic states.  Many people, including republican candidates like Bush, have accussed Trump of being a flip flopper since he used to be a democrat.  So by capturing the majority vote despite being this supposed flip flopper speaks volumes in my eyes.  The other interesting note is that he is pulling voters ouside of just the conservatives: the Tea Party, Evangelicals, hispanics (Nevada poll), and democrats as well.  

If you don't want to consider South Carolina, then just look at how well Hillary did when she spoke in Ohio (swing state).  She had about 2,500 people show up to hear her speak...



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Insidb on 29 August 2015
Jimbo1337 said:
Insidb said:

You are not wrong about his current ascent; the media coverage has made that obious, but we must contenxtualize this phenomenon. This ascent is very early in the primaries and very far away from the general election. He is leading GOP candidates, but there are many miles to go and much dirt to dig and throw. Keep in mind that those are the very same demographics that baced Romney in a losing campaign, and he was far less offensive in his loss. The firsr debate, as I'm sure you noticed, has way too many candidates to produce any meaninful insign on any of them (We heard snippets on talking points.). As the candidates dwindle, they will become more aggressive and damaging. Fully expect Trump to get slammed like "corporate raider" Romney and have the middle class step out on him. With regards to SC, those polls are largely irrelevant; this is a bastion for the GOP: taking poll numbers from a Red State is akin to tracking Hillary in NY. 

I'm not going to snow you, because you seem to be a person who (rightfully) wants qualification for debate points. Here is an aggregate of all the major 2016 general election polls, and Clinton is leading all of them v. Trump (including Fox):

http://www.270towin.com/2016-polls/2016-general-election-matchups/

As you have said, this is very early in the primaries and you need to look no further than the past three months to see the general trend.  As I have stated before, Trump continues to ascend in the polls while Hillary Clinton continues to drop like the 2008 stock market.  I feel it is more alarming that the leading democratic candidate is dropping so fast in the polls, with no signs of improving, in comparison to some hunch that Trump can't keep this success up for a couple more months and will likely falter.  Since you provided me that link, then me and you both know what that poll looked like just two months ago....enough said.

Hillary Clinton is showing no signs of increase because her media coverage consists of her answering the email scandal or making offensive comments by comparing the republican candidates to terrorists.  I feel that this comment is clearly over-the-top and far worse than anything that Trump has said. Another interesting point is that the media hasn't even started talking about the Clinton Foundation, which will only garner her more negativity and decrease the time for Hillary to talk about her policies.  I have been watching the news on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX and I don't even know where she stands on anything.  When asked about the alaskan pipeline, she said to vote for me first and then I will tell you.    Meanwhile, people complain that Trump isn't giving specifics on his policies while Hillary Clinton is shying away from the media or roping them off like cattle. To this day, I still don't understand how someone can vote for a person that is currently being investigated by the FBI.  Perhaps you could explain your reasoning or the mindset of other democratic voters.

I feel bad for the Democrats to be honest.  They have Hillary Clinton who is being investigated by the FBI, Sanders who is a socialist, and Biden who captured less than 1% of the vote in 2008.  These are your democratic candidates? I am so so sorry.

I wouldn't say that the SC poll is irrevalant at all.  In fact, I would argue the complete opposite.  New York, where Trump was born, is regarded as one of the top ten democratic states.  Many people, including republican candidates like Bush, have accussed Trump of being a flip flopper since he used to be a democrat.  So by capturing the majority vote despite being this supposed flip flopper speaks volumes in my eyes.  The other interesting note is that he is pulling voters ouside of just the conservatives: the Tea Party, Evangelicals, hispanics (Nevada poll), and democrats as well.  

If you don't want to consider South Carolina, then just look at how well Hillary did when she spoke in Ohio (swing state).  She had about 2,500 people show up to hear her speak...

"I feel bad for the Democrats to be honest.  They have Hillary Clinton who is being investigated by the FBI, Sanders who is a socialist, and Biden who captured less than 1% of the vote in 2008.  These are your democratic candidates? I am so so sorry. "

That is a simple regurgitation of a Republican rhetorical meme, which implies that you are blindly following a part line, rather than fairly analyzing both candidates. I have seen this exact meme floating around social media outlets, so your reappropriation is as unsurprising as it is disappointing. Here is a summarization of where Trump does not stand on anything, if we aren't going to fairly assess the situation: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-says-china_55e06f30e4b0aec9f352e904

If Hillary is potentially any type of a "criminal," the GWB and Cheney ARE war criminals. If Sanders is potentially a socialist, FDR was the socialist allied commander. Biden is the incumbent's VP, and that (as we all should know) is where the legitimacy of his run starts and ends. You bring up Trump's notoriety as a flip-flopper, which is wholly warranted (because it is very true and verifiiable) and exactly the rhetoric that sunk Kerry's campaign. It's also been a regualarly deployed tactic to win swing voters, so the Democrats will be sure to hammer that point home, IF he wins any primary. As far as Clinton's polling is concerned, it is largely irrelevant right now, because she has yet to win the primary, and the GOP circus is the media's wet dream. In a nation of pop culture election's, exposure will increase public awareness. It seems like you won't want to hear this, but the GOP is facing an uphill battle that a nominated Trump will only make harder for them. Democrats turn out for presidential elections, they are growing in number (as the number of Republicans shrinks), and they have had a very favorable track record over the past few years, socially and economically. If we are going to harp on recent surges in the polls, look no firther than Sanders, who is not only garnering the Democratic vote, but also riding the wave of populism. Like Trump, he is unapologetically honest, but he lacks all the controversy of Trumps offensiveness and record of contradiction. Hillary should be watching her back for him, and I fully expect her to pirate his positions is an attempt to acquire his voter base.

GOP slide: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/05/the-gop-is-dying-off-literally-118035

Democratic turnout: http://prospect.org/article/one-reason-democrats-lost-so-big-midterms-exceptionally-low-voter-turnout

Clinton vs. Trump: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

Clinton vs. Sanders: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html



Insidb on 29 August 2015
I3LuEI3omI3eR said:
Insidb said:
By all indications, it's just a matter of when, not if, Trump burns out. His inflammatory comments have preemptively offended and alienated a significant portion of the voter base (blacks, hispanics, women, etc.). It's very hard to win a general election, when you've directly offended 14%, 17%, and 51% of the citizenry, respectively. Most elections are won by swing voters, and he's already assuring votes for his potential opposition. As his offensive parade continues, he just generates more fodder for the Democratic party to use to curry favor with Americans, and Americans (by and large) are consumers of middle intelligence. None of this even accounts for the fact that the Democratic voter base is perennially growing and the Republican voter base is dying off, so the voters will be ever-shifting towards the Democratic party, up until election day.

The primary problem for the Republican party is its inability to evolve and tendency to retard social progress, often touting fiscal concerns for thinly-veiled bigotry (whether it be against women, hispanics, blacks, gays, etc.). The secondary problem (only because so many Americans are ignorant) is the never-ending promotion of trickle-down Reagonomics, which failed under Reagan, has left behind a legacy from which the nation has yet to recover, and has failed in all of its multifarious iterations. Someone referred to the wealthfare state as an omen that somehow is foretelling of the rise of "communism and socialism." This is far from the case, because welfare programs barely dent the federal budget or your wallet; most of your tax dollars go to corporate subsidies (and then they don't even pay taxes themselves). American has already transitioned into an oligarchy and an aristocracy is right around the corner, because people refuse to do their homework and see what they actually pay, who they pay it to, what those payees pay, and what those payees for (or usually don't).

This is a very educated and well said statement... probably one of the most thought of statements I've ever read on this Board... I can't really add anything else because you've said enough Good Sir!

OG: Remember not only does he read a book written by Hitler before he goes to bed...

I heard Joe Bidden democratic election bid is picking up steam. I really hope he is picked out between him and Hilary.

Thank you, good sir.



generic-user-1 on 29 August 2015
Jimbo1337 said:
Insidb said:

You are not wrong about his current ascent; the media coverage has made that obious, but we must contenxtualize this phenomenon. This ascent is very early in the primaries and very far away from the general election. He is leading GOP candidates, but there are many miles to go and much dirt to dig and throw. Keep in mind that those are the very same demographics that baced Romney in a losing campaign, and he was far less offensive in his loss. The firsr debate, as I'm sure you noticed, has way too many candidates to produce any meaninful insign on any of them (We heard snippets on talking points.). As the candidates dwindle, they will become more aggressive and damaging. Fully expect Trump to get slammed like "corporate raider" Romney and have the middle class step out on him. With regards to SC, those polls are largely irrelevant; this is a bastion for the GOP: taking poll numbers from a Red State is akin to tracking Hillary in NY. 

I'm not going to snow you, because you seem to be a person who (rightfully) wants qualification for debate points. Here is an aggregate of all the major 2016 general election polls, and Clinton is leading all of them v. Trump (including Fox):

http://www.270towin.com/2016-polls/2016-general-election-matchups/

As you have said, this is very early in the primaries and you need to look no further than the past three months to see the general trend.  As I have stated before, Trump continues to ascend in the polls while Hillary Clinton continues to drop like the 2008 stock market.  I feel it is more alarming that the leading democratic candidate is dropping so fast in the polls, with no signs of improving, in comparison to some hunch that Trump can't keep this success up for a couple more months and will likely falter.  Since you provided me that link, then me and you both know what that poll looked like just two months ago....enough said.

Hillary Clinton is showing no signs of increase because her media coverage consists of her answering the email scandal or making offensive comments by comparing the republican candidates to terrorists.  I feel that this comment is clearly over-the-top and far worse than anything that Trump has said. Another interesting point is that the media hasn't even started talking about the Clinton Foundation, which will only garner her more negativity and decrease the time for Hillary to talk about her policies.  I have been watching the news on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX and I don't even know where she stands on anything.  When asked about the alaskan pipeline, she said to vote for me first and then I will tell you.    Meanwhile, people complain that Trump isn't giving specifics on his policies while Hillary Clinton is shying away from the media or roping them off like cattle. To this day, I still don't understand how someone can vote for a person that is currently being investigated by the FBI.  Perhaps you could explain your reasoning or the mindset of other democratic voters.

I feel bad for the Democrats to be honest.  They have Hillary Clinton who is being investigated by the FBI, Sanders who is a socialist, and Biden who captured less than 1% of the vote in 2008.  These are your democratic candidates? I am so so sorry.

I wouldn't say that the SC poll is irrevalant at all.  In fact, I would argue the complete opposite.  New York, where Trump was born, is regarded as one of the top ten democratic states.  Many people, including republican candidates like Bush, have accussed Trump of being a flip flopper since he used to be a democrat.  So by capturing the majority vote despite being this supposed flip flopper speaks volumes in my eyes.  The other interesting note is that he is pulling voters ouside of just the conservatives: the Tea Party, Evangelicals, hispanics (Nevada poll), and democrats as well.  

If you don't want to consider South Carolina, then just look at how well Hillary did when she spoke in Ohio (swing state).  She had about 2,500 people show up to hear her speak...


sanders is a social democrat, not a socialist, maybe he calls himself a socialist, but he isnt.



AlfredoTurkey on 29 August 2015

It's funny and totally predictable but, there isn't ONE person of color (Mexican, African American, Native American etc) in that crowd.



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Insidb on 29 August 2015
AlfredoTurkey said:
It's funny and totally predictable but, there isn't ONE person of color (Mexican, African American, Native American etc) in that crowd.

Shocker: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-the-gop-and-the-hispanic-vote/402658/



Jimbo1337 on 30 August 2015
Insidb said:

"I feel bad for the Democrats to be honest.  They have Hillary Clinton who is being investigated by the FBI, Sanders who is a socialist, and Biden who captured less than 1% of the vote in 2008.  These are your democratic candidates? I am so so sorry. "

That is a simple regurgitation of a Republican rhetorical meme, which implies that you are blindly following a part line, rather than fairly analyzing both candidates. I have seen this exact meme floating around social media outlets, so your reappropriation is as unsurprising as it is disappointing. Here is a summarization of where Trump does not stand on anything, if we aren't going to fairly assess the situation: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-says-china_55e06f30e4b0aec9f352e904

Stuff

Who are you to say whether or not I am fairly analyzing both candidates?  I am actually far more fair than you could ever be.  I did not regurgitate anything, it's called using my brain and stating facts.  It is you who are dismissing them and then being condescending towards me.  

Facts:

1.)  Hillary Clinton is being investigated by the FBI

2.) Bernie Sanders is a socialist...excuse me a "social democrat".  Did I get that right?

3.) Biden captured less than 1% of the vote in 2008.

So again I ask a question that you totally dismissed:

To this day, I still don't understand how someone can vote for a person that is currently being investigated by the FBI.  Perhaps you could explain your reasoning or the mindset of other democratic voters.



teamsilent13 on 30 August 2015

Better than Bernie Sanders and equally unelectable.



naruball on 30 August 2015
Jimbo1337 said:

Who are you to say whether or not I am fairly analyzing both candidates?  I am actually far more fair than you could ever be. 

Facts:

1.)  Hillary Clinton is being investigated by the FBI

....

To this day, I still don't understand how someone can vote for a person that is currently being investigated by the FBI.  Perhaps you could explain your reasoning or the mindset of other democratic voters.

@bolded

The irony is strong in this one.

And in case you haven't noticed, you sound like a broken record with all the times you mentioned "Hilary is being investigated by the FBI". Seriously, it's like every other post you've made. We get it. She is being investigated by the FBI. We get it.

Why not just keep it in your signature so that you don't have to repeat yourself?



Jimbo1337 on 30 August 2015
naruball said:
Jimbo1337 said:

Who are you to say whether or not I am fairly analyzing both candidates?  I am actually far more fair than you could ever be. 

Facts:

1.)  Hillary Clinton is being investigated by the FBI

....

To this day, I still don't understand how someone can vote for a person that is currently being investigated by the FBI.  Perhaps you could explain your reasoning or the mindset of other democratic voters.

@bolded

The irony is strong in this one.

And in case you haven't noticed, you sound like a broken record with all the times you mentioned "Hilary is being investigated by the FBI". Seriously, it's like every other post you've made. We get it. She is being investigated by the FBI. We get it.

Why not just keep it in your signature so that you don't have to repeat yourself?

And yet you and everyone else cannot give me a simple reason why they would vote for someone like this out of all of the times that I posted this comment.

I don't think people on here get it at all when 412 people have voted for her on this site alone shown here:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=207223&page=1#