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Who would you rather vote for the US presidency?

Hillary Clinton 418 42.01%
 
Donald Trump 288 28.94%
 
None 163 16.38%
 
None of them will win the... 41 4.12%
 
Clinton if we don't find... 12 1.21%
 
Subway sandwiches now taste illicit 37 3.72%
 
Donald Trump can't survi... 36 3.62%
 
Total:995
Jimbo1337 said:
Game_God said:


What an ignorant comparison, using this kind of flawed logic (sophism) look how good having national currencies did for countries like Cuba & North Korea, so the US should ditch its currency... Everything not Republican is fated to a Greek-like fate according to you... my advice: tap in that thing called the internet & do a bit of research before making a fool of yourself in here. Debating ideas is good & useful, parroting GOP propaganda is sterile & not self-empowering!

I am highly intelligent and there is no need to be so condescending.  Let me guess, Hillary Clinton being investigated by the FBI is GOP propaganda as well, right?

Really? Hillary is being investigated by the FBI? For what, shooting her hunting buddy in the face with a gun???



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MTZehvor said:
Game_God said:


What an ignorant comparison, using this kind of flawed logic (sophism) look how good having national currencies did for countries like Cuba & North Korea, so the US should ditch its currency... Everything not Republican is fated to a Greek-like fate according to you... my advice: tap in that thing called the internet & do a bit of research before making a fool of yourself in here. Debating ideas is good & useful, parroting GOP propaganda is sterile & not self-empowering!

#1: There's no need to be a jerk to him.

#2: Without wishing to jump into the fray, your analogy parodying his metaphor doesn't work, as there is reason to believe that Greece's economic downturn is related to its consistent deficit spending (and quite a few people do), while there's absolutely no reason to believe that either North Korea's or Cuba's poor economic state is related to it having a national currency. If the idea of Greece's economic failings being related to consistent deficit spending is so silly, then you should have no problem explaining it to him in a clear, concise manner without needing to resort to insults.

O/T, I'd almost assuredly go third party over either of them. Protest vote n' such.

Your 2nd point, is terribly wrong, you should stop believing mainstream media & do actual research about Greece real reasons for bankrupcy. It has more to do with corruption, EU rigid & binding anti-democratic rules & mainly like everywhere else, Banks(mainly german & french in Greece case) playing casino & then having the state/citizens €€ bailing them out & leaving the country ruined!

Do you know what is TTIP?



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Game_God said:

Your 2nd point, is terribly wrong, you should stop believing mainstream media & do actual research about Greece real reasons for bankrupcy. It has more to do with corruption, EU rigid & binding anti-democratic rules & mainly like everywhere else, Banks(mainly german & french in Greece case) playing casino & then having the state/citizens €€ bailing them out & leaving the country ruined!

Do you know what is TTIP?


it was just 1 german bank, deutsche bank and 1 insurance companys, allianz.

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Game_God said:
Jimbo1337 said:
Game_God said:


What an ignorant comparison, using this kind of flawed logic (sophism) look how good having national currencies did for countries like Cuba & North Korea, so the US should ditch its currency... Everything not Republican is fated to a Greek-like fate according to you... my advice: tap in that thing called the internet & do a bit of research before making a fool of yourself in here. Debating ideas is good & useful, parroting GOP propaganda is sterile & not self-empowering!

I am highly intelligent and there is no need to be so condescending.  Let me guess, Hillary Clinton being investigated by the FBI is GOP propaganda as well, right?

Really? Hillary is being investigated by the FBI? For what, shooting her hunting buddy in the face with a gun???

So you accuse me of knowing nothing yet you don't even know that Hillary Clinton is being investgated by the FBI.  



generic-user-1 said:

greece is far better of, they have goods people actually want(wine, olives, cheese, ouzo), they can cut imports alot with investing in green energies, and they will get alot more money from tourist now turkey, egypt and alot of other countrys went down in flames.

obama succeded in redistributing wealth, from the bottom to the top. obamacare is the biggest redistribution from the bottom to the top men ever created.

private healthcare doesnt work, never worked and will never work.

Nearly every American, other than those who don't want to work, think obamacare is the worst healthcare imagineable.  

What are your thoughts on the Cadillac Tax?

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This is like asking who I think the better wrestler was... Hulk Hogan or the Ultimate Warrior.

They're actors.



Game_God said:

Your 2nd point, is terribly wrong, you should stop believing mainstream media & do actual research about Greece real reasons for bankrupcy. It has more to do with corruption, EU rigid & binding anti-democratic rules & mainly like everywhere else, Banks(mainly german & french in Greece case) playing casino & then having the state/citizens €€ bailing them out & leaving the country ruined!

Do you know what is TTIP?

Firstly, I study economics at university, so this is already a topic I'm extremely familiar with, and as the president of my university's debate club, I'm more than familiar with both sides of the issue. I've argued for both on multiple occasions.

Secondly, I haven't even mentioned what I believe in. I simply commented that your analogy didn't work without ever stating my beliefs, so, in the words of Yahtzee Croshaw, you've either got the wrong address or you're projecting so hard I could point you at a wall and run a powerpoint presentation.

Thirdly, again, without wishing to take a position here, this is an issue that is multi faceted. There are a number of reasons for Greece's economic problems, and there's certainly an argument to be made that rising debt and the countries who hold that debt being reasonably concerned about getting their money back (and imposing harsh austeristy measures as a result) is playing a part. Corruption almost certainly plays a role as well, but utterly dismissing the idea of unchecked spending and the resulting austerity measures having a hand in the recent downturn seems more than a little close minded.

Lastly, I assume you're referring to the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, which I'm familiar with. What of it?

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Jimbo1337 said:

Nearly every American, other than those who don't want to work, think obamacare is the worst healthcare imagineable.  

What are your thoughts on the Cadillac Tax?


Where do I start...

I would like an evidence that Obama did spend Trillions of dollars on wealth redistribution. If you are talking about stimulus package - first, it worked. Second, it's keynesian economics 101, I do think Obama is incompetent in this aspect that he didn't put more budget into stimulus package, as amount Obama put into it is nowhere matching the actual suggestions made by economists. ARRA spent around 900 billions for infrastructure, education, energy, expansion of unemployment benefit, and so on.

What regulation are you talking about? If you are talking about Dodd-Frank, are you implying that we should have awarded Banks even more for Subprime Mortage Crisis than now? What regulation was too stifling that it prevented private business from making profit? High taxes? Small businesses got Tax Cuts, and if you are talking about entity like Wal-Mart, maybe they should pay more, since they haven't been paying properly at all. (1)

For everyone who insist that tax cuts to private corporation is going to make everything better through trickling down, Trickle Down Economic is fundamentally flawed and will not create job, as dropped demand won't increase supply - Which is the reason why Stimulus package happened. For Poverty rate increase, you mean economic crisis happening did not increased poverty rate? How surprising. Not.

Though you have kept saying that privatebusiness is doing poorly, their stock and profit is all time high. (2)

I do have my extreme disdain for Obamacare, but that mostly comes from how privatized it is. Unsurprising, as ACA is Romneycare with benefits cut. No wonder it was originally proposed by Republicans. (3) And also, Obamacare is expected to decrease public spending on healthcare when adjusted with inflating medical cost, which it has. (4) (5) This is mostly due to the bargaining power difference and forced competition created by ACA act.

And generic-user, I disagree with you on that, Obama's faithful tax cut and support on private business compared to weak distribution of wealth only resulted in increase of the wealth gap, his conservative policy decision, such as continuing the war is extremely pricy, and I still don't understand why US had to bailout bigger and failier banks and financial institution that mismanaged the money in the first place. I'm expecting Bernie Sanders to cut from military (And end the failed War, it cost too much and it is gaining nothing.) and try to increase bargaining power of government in order to reduce debt. In addition, they could make government more efficient - For example, they could actually make IRS functional, so they could catch the tax evasions.

 

1. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-17/wal-mart-has-76-billion-in-overseas-tax-havens-report-says

2. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/dow-16000-meaningless_n_4296208.html

3. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/11/13/romneycare-vs-obamacare-key-similarities-differences/

4. http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/Files/Publications/Issue%20Brief/2012/May/1595_Squires_explaining_high_hlt_care_spending_intl_brief.pdf

5. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries/

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Trump because that hair needs to be in the oval office.

No not the man, the hair. ;P



Hilary, easily. Trump should just stick to hosting The Apprentice.