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Should Marvel buy back the rights of the Fantastic Four

Yes, the potential is there 8 30.77%
 
No, this is a terrible in... 17 65.38%
 
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I think that Marvel has an opportunity to make a "fantastic" Fantastic Four film. If they play their cards right, the movie might actually be a critical success with audiences and potential one of the best films in the MCU. Believe it or not the Fantastic Four has some of the most amazing stories in Marvels lore but it is essential that they  pick and focus one thing at a time. The following are five things I think Marvel needs to consider before they inevitably shove them into the Avengers.

1) Don't do an origin's story unless IT IS THE OPENING SCENE! Let the radiation hit in the first minute and a half of the film.  Flash backs during the developments of the characters is okay. This may be essential in the development of both Reed Richards  and Victor Von Doom.

2) How they handle Dr. Doom is EVERYTHING. They need to make him menacing and terrifying. He needs his motives to be explained more clearly he needs to be focused on as a villain who is PULLING STRINGS and manipulating the course of the world.

3) I cannot stress enough that they need to focus on Reed Richards and show the audiences how interesting he can be and how powerful he really is. They NEED to show that he is the most intelligent Marvel super hero, WHICH HE IS!

4) Focus on all of the members of the Fantastic Four but as I stated above. Reed needs to be focused on primarily so the audience can connect with him, which in turn allow them to connect with the team more. They need to strike a proper balance between the members and the new movie did a horrible job at that.

5) They need to start big, yet start small. Dr. Doom needs to be a MAJOR player but not the villain that they fight. He needs to be a master manipulator and some of the smaller villains need to take the mettle against the Fantastic Four. The budget for the film may need to be much higher than expected and would be a risky investment that has the potential to reap incredible rewards for Marvel.

The ONE thing the movie did right was the fact they did not downplay anyone. I saw the appropriate strengths of each of the members and I was blown away to see no one was powered down. The Invisible Woman was inexperienced but you can tell that she will become a force to be reckoned with. Dr. Doom would rip anyone from the MCU into shreds... He would tear The Avengers apart. Obviously Marvel would need to limit them a bit but as we move into Phase 3 it is clear Marvel is starting to stop these BS nerfs. Ant-Man was pretty OP imo.

They need to also cast the actors properly. Kate Mara is cute but she is a terrible actor and always has been. She is incredibly bland in all of her movies and she has zero expressions and is incapable of showing emotions. This is the exact opposite of Sue Storm. Michael B. Jordan (Yes he is the son of Michael Jordan) was not far off from the personality of the Human Torch, he wasn't half bad but he could still be casted better. Jamie Bell as The Thing was actually quite decent. Jamie deserved far more screen time to shine and to prove if he is capable of being Ben. Ironically, I normally a distaste to Miles Teller as an actor and was expecting to hate him more than any of the other actors. I was shaken that he was surprisingly decent, even if he was a terrible Reed Richards, he was the most convincing person that could act in this film. No one could act in this movie at all aside for maybe Reg E. Cathey. It should be stated last but not least that Tobey Kebbell has potential to play a REAL Dr. Doom should he ever be given the chance by Marvel. He knows the character and has expressed a sense of anger to Fox for the defamation of his character. http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2015/07/toby-kebbell-wants-doctor-doom-to-join-the-marvel-cinematic-universe.html

l personally think that all of the characters in the franchise should be re-casted aside from having Ioan Gruffudd return as Reed Richards if he is willing to do so. He not only looks like Reed Richards, he displays a very convincing Reed and has increased his acting skills over time. To me he is to Reed Richards as what Robert Downey Jr. is to Tony Stark. A real life portrayal of his character. I would also be willing to see Toby Kibbell have a real shot as Dr. Doom.

I'd love to hear everyone else opinion on if they think Marvel should invest in the Fantastic Four. In my personal opinion I think they should and the rights to the series would be incredibly essential to the MCU. Even if it's just for Dr. Doom, the potential is sky high and the fans would go crazy if the film is done correctly. This could easily become a critical success that is far higher than any one is convinced of due to the current credibility of the series. If anyone has any doubt that a franchise can do a 180 degree turn around, then one only needs to take a look at what Christopher Nolan did to Batman. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin were both considered to be abominations of film making despite the fact they had phenomenal actors and were half entertaining.


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They don't need to make that big of an offer. They're going to get the rights back anyways with how the latest movie bombed. Fox will do it because there's probably more money to be made licensing the rights of Fantastic 4 back to Marvel then trying to make a sequel.



TheGoldenBoy said:
They don't need to make that big of an offer. They're going to get the rights back anyways with how the latest movie bombed. Fox will do it because there's probably more money to be made licensing the rights to Fantastic 4 back to Marvel then trying to make a sequel.


Fox and Marvel do not get along well and are willing to do whatever it takes to smite one another. One of the biggest reasons Fox made the new Fantastic Four film was to prevent Marvel from getting the rights back. Dr. Doom and Galactus are both characters that Marvel wants to use in the MCU. Further more Dr. Doom, Silver Surfer, and Reed Richards all have important roles in the Infinity War.

You are aware of how Fox sued Marvel back in the day for creating a TV show called Mutant X? I believe they won the law suit because Fox actually owns exclusive rights to the word "Mutant" in the film industry. The two of them do not and will not compromise unless there is a lot of money is involved.



Airaku said:
TheGoldenBoy said:
They don't need to make that big of an offer. They're going to get the rights back anyways with how the latest movie bombed. Fox will do it because there's probably more money to be made licensing the rights to Fantastic 4 back to Marvel then trying to make a sequel.


Fox and Marvel do not get along well and are willing to do whatever it takes to smite one another. One of the biggest reasons Fox made the new Fantastic Four film was to prevent Marvel from getting the rights back. Dr. Doom and Galactus are both characters that Marvel wants to use in the MCU. Further more Dr. Doom, Silver Surfer, and Reed Richards all have important roles in the Infinity War.

You are aware of how Fox sued Marvel back in the day for creating a TV show called Mutant X? I believe they won the law suit because Fox actually owns exclusive rights to the word "Mutant" in the film industry. The two of them do not and will not compromise unless there is a lot of money is involved.

I still believe that it wouldn't be that hard for Marvel to get the rights back to Fantastic 4. There was a time when none of us believed that Sony would give up the rights to Spider-Man, hell they even rebooted the franchise and were going to make a shit ton of spin-off movies to keep the rights away from Marvel, but they realised there's more money to be had by allowing Spider-Man into the MCU. Spider-Man was doing much better at the box office than Fantastic 4 as well ($709 million vs $102 million). So while they might not like each other, money can always make things easier.

However, Marvel probably wants the rights to X-Men back more and they're not going to get those for a very long time.



Yes, they need to bring F4 back to the Marvel Cinema. Doctor Doom is the very symbol of a true villain and needs to get a proper movie. Also, Big Ben is the one I feel has gotten the worse treatment through all these films, it´s like they don´t know how to handle him!



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Nah Fox already had the best cast for it w/ Chris Evans etc. Their problem is the franchise just can't stand on its own without looking goofy/comedic/lighthearted kind of action superhero movie.



kurasakiichimaru said:
Nah Fox already had the best cast for it w/ Chris Evans etc. Their problem is the franchise just can't stand on its own without looking goofy/comedic/lighthearted kind of action superhero movie.

But... that's the point. Sadly Fox don't get it. Doom might be comically villainy villain, Annihilus might be horriffic and scary for kid, Super Skrull cool and Galactus beyond comprehension but the idea of the Fantastic Four is a fun filled, slightly goofy science adventure with Mr F and his 3 pals.

The films have not been this.

But I think FF is harder to translate than the others. Having them as background character in the MCU might work. Yet the longer the MCU goes on the more pointless a lot of this connected universe is, you know, because the actors age, comic book characters don't.



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The Fury said:
kurasakiichimaru said:
Nah Fox already had the best cast for it w/ Chris Evans etc. Their problem is the franchise just can't stand on its own without looking goofy/comedic/lighthearted kind of action superhero movie.

But... that's the point. Sadly Fox don't get it. Doom might be comically villainy villain, Annihilus might be horriffic and scary for kid, Super Skrull cool and Galactus beyond comprehension but the idea of the Fantastic Four is a fun filled, slightly goofy science adventure with Mr F and his 3 pals.

The films have not been this.

But I think FF is harder to translate than the others. Having them as background character in the MCU might work. Yet the longer the MCU goes on the more pointless a lot of this connected universe is, you know, because the actors age, comic book characters don't.


Well that's the point too. Fox knows they need an incredibly relating character stories and being goofy doesn't cut it in the box-office.



kurasakiichimaru said:
Nah Fox already had the best cast for it w/ Chris Evans etc. Their problem is the franchise just can't stand on its own without looking goofy/comedic/lighthearted kind of action superhero movie.


I disagree, I think the series can be quite serious when needed. I think the movies could benefit with being a bit more pensive in different ways from how Fox is handeling it. Marvel's use of humor would be benefical to the series but they should tone down in the over obessive humor they have been using lately. Fantastic Four is more than just being goofy, people forget how serious the characters really are and Dr. Doom isn't the kind of guy that makes me laugh my ass off... nor is Sue Storm... xD



I don't think they'll have to. I think Fox will either let their rights expire which will take a few years or if they still want to make money off the franchise, they'll offer to do the a similar deal that Sony had done with Spider-Man.

Aside from the new FF movie being terrible in every way, Marvel themselves also have a lot to do with the failure of the movie. After hearing what direction Fox was going with, they got fed up. They cancelled the Fantastic Four comic series and refused to do a toyline to promote the movie or the franchise in any way. They've also done similar things with X-Men but not to this extreme. Just go look for Marvel Comics merchandise in any store. You won't see any Fantastic Four merchandise and you'll fine very little of X-Men.

Marvel wants these franchises back and they're willing to kill them to get them back. Although I don't think they'll want Fantastic Four back just yet. Fox has made that franchise near worthless. A few years, maybe more have to pass.



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