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ps3-sales! said:

Stop acting so high and mighty. Would the industry fail if everyone pirated things? Duh. Will that ever happen? No

Not only is pirating bad, but you just answerd your own damn thread title question.

This is exactly why it needs so much negativity and why it needs to stay a 'taboo' If there wasnt so much negativity towards piracy or if its openly discussed then more and more people will do it witch is fucking bad. Not every one who pirates is a damn saint.

The "I wasnt going to get this game so i may as well pirate it" argument is kinda bullshit, it goes much much deeper then that simple saying.

1. If you cant afford it then THEN TOUGH SHIT wait till it goes on sale. If you truly cant afford it (not even on sale) and are about to loose your house or are living off ramen noodles or have family/your welbeing to look after first then gaming isnt for you my freind. Maybe hit up twitch or watch some lets plays. if you're unemployed and living in your parents basement then get a damn job.

2. If you truly think a game is not interesting enough for you to buy then dont fucking play it.

3. If you think a dev/publisher is making a game you're hyped for shit because of shady practises or shit due to bugs and your gonna pirate it because of that...well,  i guess they're not making it shit enough because your still fucking playing it smh.

4. If you're pirating to test how good a game is then read reviews, watch gameplay videos/interveiws to learn more about the game before you buy and if you dont trust the bigger mainstream reviews then watch smaller ones from indipendant youtubers or get opinions on fourms and what not. Im sorry if you dont like a game you spent some hard cash on but this is one of the benefits console gamers have or just physical items in general, they can be traded in. If you brought a TV or w/e and dont like it, what do you do? Either deal with it or trade that shit in! (i think steam introduced some refund thing right? idk im not a PC gamer)

5. 'The people who pirate and claim they pay up later down the line in some shape or form.' Yea too bad not all pirates are like you,  Some people are just assholes and do it just because they can. Im sorry but assholes always gotta ruin things. (To be frank, i question the legitimacy of this claim when people defend themselfs with this, you can never really know.) All in all, this relys too heavily on people being 100% honest, witch is never a good idea.

6. "Testing to see if your PC will run it" Oh im sorry i didnt realize PC gamers were retards and dont know whats inside their damn computers or are too incompitent look up benchmarking sites or do 10 minutes of damn research. (if a game runs like shit and is a bad port, refer to point 2. and 3.) (This is also a defense i highly question, people are really pirating games too see if it runs? then they claim they buy it if it does? come the fuck on, this has got to be bullshit...)

YOU DONT NEED TO GET GAMES ON DAY ONE PEOPLE!!! (holy shit, writing this right now and looking at above points i made just made me realize why part of the reason pre-order bonuses are so bad, damn. I guess im on the anti pre order DLC bandwagon now, shit. Hype and pre-order propaganda might be having a huge impact on some)



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method114 said:
Nautilus said:
It dosent matter if the product you are pirating are rich and mighty, its still aganst the law.Just because it wont impact them personally dosent make it more right.
Dont get me wrong, I emulate games and download some musics.I personally think it should be allowed to emulate games that are at least 2 or 3 generations older, for 2 reasons:Its good for the companies, because it gives them more visibility for long running franchises.The more people that play these games, more popúlar they become.And second because wether you like it or not, videogame is a legacy of mankind, and like all artforms, it should be preserved.And so far, emulating/pirating games are the best way, wether because companies wont give a way to you experience old games, or just because some games are really obscure.
But i personally find your way of thinking wrong.


You can't emulate games or download music and then say pirating mainstream games is wrong. You basically excuse any pirating that you do and say everyone else is wrong for pirating.

I pirate games but only to try them out and if I like that game after and hour or two I stop playing and go buy it.

Wait, i didnt say that.I said that emulating old games(games that are 2 or 3 generations older) should be made legal, because it would be basically free marketing for the companies for games that they would have no more way to profit, be it mainstream games like final fantasy or more obscures ones like King of the Dragons.And it would be a way to preserve those games for future generations.Now games that are from generations 7 and 8 should remain illegal(and also i never emulated or pirated any games from that generation), until new generations arrive.

I pirate old games not because i dont want to waste money on them, i do it because i want to experience them, the excellent games made before i was born and have no way to play them now, and also for the convinience.

Food for thought:Lets say Van Gogh was still alive today and had ownership of all the work he has done, and by the time he was going to die, he decides to burn all his work and be made illegal to try to copy or/and own something he did.Tecnically speaking, he has that right.But woulkd you accept that, being(hypothetically speaking) a huge fan of his work, having a way to apreciate all his work, not stealing the items itselfs, but just making a copy of the data of his work?



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

TheGoldenBoy said:

It's stealing.


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Chevinator123 said:
ps3-sales! said:

Stop acting so high and mighty. Would the industry fail if everyone pirated things? Duh. Will that ever happen? No

Not only is pirating bad, but you just answerd your own damn thread title question.

This is exactly why it needs so much negativity and why it needs to stay a 'taboo' If there wasnt so much negativity towards piracy or if its openly discussed then more and more people will do it witch is fucking bad. Not every one who pirates is a damn saint.

The "I wasnt going to get this game so i may as well pirate it" argument is kinda bullshit, it goes much much deeper then that simple saying.

1. If you cant afford it then THEN TOUGH SHIT wait till it goes on sale. If you truly cant afford it (not even on sale) and are about to loose your house or are living off ramen noodles or have family/your welbeing to look after first then gaming isnt for you my freind. Maybe hit up twitch or watch some lets plays. if you're unemployed and living in your parents basement then get a damn job.

2. If you truly think a game is not interesting enough for you to buy then dont fucking play it.

3. If you think a dev/publisher is making a game you're hyped for shit because of shady practises or shit due to bugs and your gonna pirate it because of that...well,  i guess they're not making it shit enough because your still fucking playing it smh.

4. If you're pirating to test how good a game is then read reviews, watch gameplay videos/interveiws to learn more about the game before you buy and if you dont trust the bigger mainstream reviews then watch smaller ones from indipendant youtubers or get opinions on fourms and what not. Im sorry if you dont like a game you spent some hard cash on but this is one of the benefits console gamers have or just physical items in general, they can be traded in. If you brought a TV or w/e and dont like it, what do you do? Either deal with it or trade that shit in! (i think steam introduced some refund thing right? idk im not a PC gamer)

5. 'The people who pirate and claim they pay up later down the line in some shape or form.' Yea too bad not all pirates are like you,  Some people are just assholes and do it just because they can. Im sorry but assholes always gotta ruin things. (To be frank, i question the legitimacy of this claim when people defend themselfs with this, you can never really know.) All in all, this relys too heavily on people being 100% honest, witch is never a good idea.

6. "Testing to see if your PC will run it" Oh im sorry i didnt realize PC gamers were retards and dont know whats inside their damn computers or are too incompitent look up benchmarking sites or do 10 minutes of damn research. (if a game runs like shit and is a bad port, refer to point 2. and 3.) (This is also a defense i highly question, people are really pirating games too see if it runs? then they claim they buy it if it does? come the fuck on, this has got to be bullshit...)

YOU DONT NEED TO GET GAMES ON DAY ONE PEOPLE!!! (holy shit, writing this right now and looking at above points i made just made me realize why part of the reason pre-order bonuses are so bad, damn. I guess im on the anti pre order DLC bandwagon now, shit. Hype and pre-order propaganda might be having a huge impact on some)

Best post on this thread. You just concluded the damn thread.



Dusk said:

Well, they actually do care. The problem is that it's hard to track down on piracy to hold accounatbility. If they didn't care they never would have created spotify, it wouldn't have been necessary. That is a great way to cut down on piracy, there are others as well. Legitimately for music, piracy isn't necessary anymore cause there are so many legit avenues to listen.

The only country that I can really think of that is more or less welcoming piracy and copyright infringment is China. They go ahead and make near replicas of many things then sell them to their people. Even when the companies try to fight against it judges are like, 'nah, not the same at all' so it went nowhere. Beyond that, many countries, at least first world countries have had piracy lawsuits, but generally it's only the big ones you hear about.

Just because a cop does something doesn't make it right. There can often be an abuse of power and people are still people.

It's possible that your authority might not care, but are you willing to do what I said even so?  

Argentina doesn't care (crazy but that's where I come from). They try their best though but it isn't enough. But I guess that's because we are a third world country... that's why wet we can't get anything so we resort to shameful practices like piracy.

Damn you stupid third world countries making first world countries poor! We really are the worst.

Ultra mega super giga defensive mode off.



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Anfebious said:
Dusk said:

Well, they actually do care. The problem is that it's hard to track down on piracy to hold accounatbility. If they didn't care they never would have created spotify, it wouldn't have been necessary. That is a great way to cut down on piracy, there are others as well. Legitimately for music, piracy isn't necessary anymore cause there are so many legit avenues to listen.

The only country that I can really think of that is more or less welcoming piracy and copyright infringment is China. They go ahead and make near replicas of many things then sell them to their people. Even when the companies try to fight against it judges are like, 'nah, not the same at all' so it went nowhere. Beyond that, many countries, at least first world countries have had piracy lawsuits, but generally it's only the big ones you hear about.

Just because a cop does something doesn't make it right. There can often be an abuse of power and people are still people.

It's possible that your authority might not care, but are you willing to do what I said even so?  

Argentina doesn't care (crazy but that's where I come from). They try their best though but it isn't enough. But I guess that's because we are a third world country... that's why wet we can't get anything so we resort to shameful practices like piracy.

Damn you stupid third world countries making first world countries poor! We really are the worst.

Ultra mega super giga defensive mode off.

Okay? So they try but they don't care? What? That's contradictory. If they didn't care they wouldn't try.

Huh? Why are you attempting to turn this into a first vs third world thing? What I stated was a fact. I'm aware that many third world countries haven't had this, that's why I specified. They often have bigger things to worry about. Not sure what you are getting at. Seriously, third world countries making first world poor? What the hell are you talking about. Remove you head from your ass.

Again, like I said, if you feel nothing will happen, then go ahead to your local authority with all your pirated stuff and see how it goes.

If you are unable to get something that you want legitimately, that sucks. There's no denying it, but it is what it is. It's still just something you want, not need. Now if it's something you need, like shelter, food, and the general life necessities, then that's terrible and in a perfect world that wouldn't happen and is easily justifiable to try and get through less than honest means, but a game or some music doesn't fall under that. You obviously have a roof, food, electricity, internet and computer/gaming console, so you aren't doing that bad.  



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

Nautilus said:

Food for thought:Lets say Van Gogh was still alive today and had ownership of all the work he has done, and by the time he was going to die, he decides to burn all his work and be made illegal to try to copy or/and own something he did.Tecnically speaking, he has that right.But woulkd you accept that, being(hypothetically speaking) a huge fan of his work, having a way to apreciate all his work, not stealing the items itselfs, but just making a copy of the data of his work?

Well the copyright transferred to his heirs, they can decided to do with it upto 70 years after the artist's death. Those are the rules since 1977, no clue about before though. You're still a bit early pirating old games ;)
http://www.teachingcopyright.org/handout/copyright-faq

You can argue everything you leave behind after death becomes public domain. Yet I also see why someone would want to leave a legacy to provide for his/her kids. My house doesn't become public property after I die. 70 years is quite long though.

Konami removing PT from the PS store, does that give you the right to pirate it?
Is an artist allowed to retract digital content?



Cobretti2 said:
some more spanners into the argument.

Why are set top boxes with recording functionality legal to sell? Isn't that pirating stuff you see on tv to a device you have at home?

borrowing original content from a fried to enjoy that doesn't belong to you, is that not stealing revenue from sales to to original IP owner?


It's a bit of a grey area. However for the most part, licenses allow you to record a personal copy of a TV broadcast now. However it has to be for personal use.

Borrowing content from a friend is breaching the license on software, however, you are not intrinsically duplicating or creating an additional copy out of thin air. It's the "single user at a time" aspect. However if you are not profiting out of it then no crime has been commited.

I'm not actually sure how it's illegal to download pirate copies. I'm sure the law only really covers the distribution and duplication.



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Dusk said:

Okay? So they try but they don't care? What? That's contradictory. If they didn't care they wouldn't try.

Huh? Why are you attempting to turn this into a first vs third world thing? What I stated was a fact. I'm aware that many third world countries haven't had this, that's why I specified. They often have bigger things to worry about. Not sure what you are getting at. Seriously, third world countries making first world poor? What the hell are you talking about. Remove you head from your ass.

Again, like I said, if you feel nothing will happen, then go ahead to your local authority with all your pirated stuff and see how it goes.

If you are unable to get something that you want legitimately, that sucks. There's no denying it, but it is what it is. It's still just something you want, not need. Now if it's something you need, like shelter, food, and the general life necessities, then that's terrible and in a perfect world that wouldn't happen and is easily justifiable to try and get through less than honest means, but a game or some music doesn't fall under that. You obviously have a roof, food, electricity, internet and computer/gaming console, so you aren't doing that bad.  

Sarcastic mode off.

Okay I'll be serious.

Yeah I'm not doing that bad, that's why I buy my games. I only pirate older games that are too hard to get. I don't think I'm hurting anyone by downloading Revelations: The demon slayer 23 years after it released. It's still wrong though and I acknowledge it. That's my whole opinion on the subject.

Also stop asking the cop question! No one would go to the police and show them their stuff. But just for lulz... would you do that?



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SvennoJ said:
Nautilus said:
 

Food for thought:Lets say Van Gogh was still alive today and had ownership of all the work he has done, and by the time he was going to die, he decides to burn all his work and be made illegal to try to copy or/and own something he did.Tecnically speaking, he has that right.But woulkd you accept that, being(hypothetically speaking) a huge fan of his work, having a way to apreciate all his work, not stealing the items itselfs, but just making a copy of the data of his work?

Well the copyright transferred to his heirs, they can decided to do with it upto 70 years after the artist's death. Those are the rules since 1977, no clue about before though. You're still a bit early pirating old games ;)
http://www.teachingcopyright.org/handout/copyright-faq

You can argue everything you leave behind after death becomes public domain. Yet I also see why someone would want to leave a legacy to provide for his/her kids. My house doesn't become public property after I die. 70 years is quite long though.

Konami removing PT from the PS store, does that give you the right to pirate it?
Is an artist allowed to retract digital content?

The problem is how Videogames are perceived by society.Paintings, historical buildings, artifacts and such things are seen as a legacy from humankind, and as such are protected, put in museums for everyone to see and enjoy, or are kept by governments because is important to that country history and such, no matter who were the previous owner.In my country when a building or a house is deemed as a historical buildings, you cant tear the building down, and also you cant change anything of its exterior(without the consent of the government if im not mistaken).You can only change its interior.

Videogames are a complicated matter.I personally see it as a artform, and should be preserved in some form, but at the same time, it is a product developed by companies that search only to profit from it.In case of PT, since it was pulled from the store, i think pirating it would be OK, to preserve its legacy.But for recent games, games for Wii U, PS4 and PS#, Xbox One, for example, piracy is wrong, as it is easily available.But for pS1 games, Sega genesis games which cannot befound anywhere or is extremely hard and expensive, yes i believe piracy and emulation is a viable option.Games are starting to show in librarys and such, but is still too new, and not that good.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1