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Trump is a fool and I'm pretty in the middle and even lean conservative on some topics

the only reason he is leading polls is because the Republican pool of candidates is so weak and one dimensional. there aren't any likable personalities, and generally speaking conservative Presidential candidates have that 'family good ol boy' sort of vibe. no one like that, no one really trustworthy seeming (although I guess most politicians don't seem trustworthy)

he's also leading the polls because extreme parts of parties always are the most involved and active at the start. more middle leaning or soft Republicans of the general public could care less this early on to pay attention. its unlikely Trump maintains this popularity in the polls, it's just no one cares yet. less people with big voices are paying attention now. 

even if he was likable and smart (cough at both of those), no political party is going to let a billionaire run for them as President because the general populous would never vote for someone like Trump simply due to a lack of relatability. the Republican Party will do something to hurt the Trump reputation

 

at any rate I agree with others that if Trump somehow did get the Republican seat in the race then it would be a landslide win for the Democrat, most likely Hilary Clinton

I know I'd rather vote for an extreme Democrat than someone like Trump, because I'd much prefer the country go in debt trying to help itself internally with social welfare then go in debt and destruction from fighting wars and not treating people on our borders kindly



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You know what, I'm so disillusioned by all the farce that is the world that I don't believe that having Donald Trump becoming the new president of the U.S.A. is such a bad thing. Yes, the guy is just toxic, everything he says is elitist and his ideas of immigration are the sentiments of a gone by era, he's sexist and overall just so damn arrogant, but just the same I think he deserves a chance.

Yeah, I know, I know. But look, take a look at youtube and type John Oliver. Any of the episodes or segments, and there are at least 15 segments on youtube, and every single one is reporting on a farce, some sort of dubious injustice, ignorant and horrible occurrences that go unchanged. So, why the hell not try this guy out. If we want change, real change, not like the supposed change with Obama, then why not let this crazy bastard attempt. Worst case scenario, nuclear bombs are flying, which is freaking horrible, but not very likely.

If you're as disillusioned about the presidency, or how it's ran or even how one is elected as I am, I'm just willing to have a change of the system overall. F it, I say, give the man the seat. Let's see if he fucks it all up.



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tripenfall said:

Fox News and the Republican base have not learnt from the mistakes of the past. Many of them honestly believe that a far right candidate can win the White House whereas most observers can plainly see that they need to moderate their views to win over swing voters.

Didn't they try that with Mitt Romney and McCain (both are moderate, establishment republicans?)

Besides, Trump IS a moderate (or rather an incoherent politcally.) He has been on record for promoting Universal Healthcare, heavy taxes, gun control, and supported Hillary Clinton. He went from being a Republican, to a Democrat, to an Independent, to a Republican again. The only way he is extreme is in how moderate and establishment he is - aka Fascist-esque like the last several U.S presidents, but more outspoken about it.

Also,

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/6/donald-trump-polling-best-among-liberal-and-modera/?page=all

Very Conservative Republicans

Rank

Candidate

Percentage

1

Scott Walker

25

2

Donald Trump

17

3

Mike Huckabee

15

4

Ben Carson

7

4

Rand Paul

7

4

Ted Cruz

7

7

Jeb Bush

6

Source: ABC/Washington Post poll July 16-19, 2015 of 1,002 adults. Margin of error: ±3.5

Somewhat Conservative Republicans

Rank

Candidate

Percentage

1

Donald Trump

24

2

Jeb Bush

16

3

Scott Walker

12

3

Marco Rubio

12

5

Ben Carson

9

6

Rick Perry

5

Source: ABC/Washington Post poll July 16-19, 2015 of 1,002 adults. Margin of error: ±3.5

Somewhat Conservative Republicans

Rank

Candidate

Percentage

1

Donald Trump

24

2

Jeb Bush

16

3

Scott Walker

12

3

Marco Rubio

12

5

Ben Carson

9

6

Rick Perry

5

Source: ABC/Washington Post poll July 16-19, 2015 of 1,002 adults. Margin of error: ±3.5

Moderate/Liberal Republicans

Rank

Candidate

Percentage

1

Donald Trump

27

2

Jeb Bush

13

3

Mike Huckabee

8

3

Rand Paul

8

5

Scott Walker

6

6

Chris Christie

5

6

Marco Rubio

5



What more proof do you need that only people with a Master degree at university should be allowed to vote?



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Samus Aran said:
What more proof do you need that only people with a Master degree at university should be allowed to vote?

Yeah, because that is a good idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test



sc94597 said:
Samus Aran said:
What more proof do you need that only people with a Master degree at university should be allowed to vote?

Yeah, because that is a good idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test

University only costs €600 a year in my country. Cheap as hell! People in difficult financial situations can apply for a scholarship.



Samus Aran said:
sc94597 said:
Samus Aran said:
What more proof do you need that only people with a Master degree at university should be allowed to vote?

Yeah, because that is a good idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test

University only costs €600 a year in my country. Cheap as hell! People in difficult financial situations can apply for a scholarship.

We are talking about the United States of America and its populous, not Belgium.

Also a Master's Degree has a high opportunity cost to acheive. For each year you are trying to achieve your Master's you could've been working and making $40,000 /yr + or increasing your job opportunities with experience.



Such a shame if he becomes the Republican nominee, Like I've been saying for the past year, this election is a lock for the Dems (regardless of who wins the Republican nominee tbh)



sc94597 said:
Samus Aran said:
sc94597 said:
Samus Aran said:
What more proof do you need that only people with a Master degree at university should be allowed to vote?

Yeah, because that is a good idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test

University only costs €600 a year in my country. Cheap as hell! People in difficult financial situations can apply for a scholarship.

We are talking about the United States of America and its populous, not Belgium.

Also a Master's Degree has a high opportunity cost to acheive. For each year you are trying to achieve your Master's you could've been working and making $40,000 /yr + or increasing your job opportunities with experience.

Spend less money on military and more money on education then.

Anyway there's no correlation between amount of students enrolled for college and the cost of education. That's just a myth. There is however a correlation between the amount of students enrolled and the amount of money the goverment invests into education. Look at Britain, high education costs but still a large percentage enroll into college because the government invests a lot of money into education.

I wouldn't call working at gamestop, Walmart or Macdonalds a high opportunity cost either. I have family and friends living in the US. 3 of them have no degree and all work at Game x change (and Walmart before that). They constantly complain about not being able to get a better job, but they never bothered to get a good education either...