I use to like Dragon ball z as a kid but now I can't stand that crap
wheres goku at now? Super Saijan 10 lmao, Such a shitty anime in my opinion
I use to like Dragon ball z as a kid but now I can't stand that crap
wheres goku at now? Super Saijan 10 lmao, Such a shitty anime in my opinion
Hiku said: I didn't like this one much. Felt a lot more like the old movies, wheres Battle of Gods seemed to take itself less seriously, and focused more on the comedy side, which felt more contemporary with today. So did the new animation style and that they used an insert theme (from Flow). It was also a bit less cliche with the hero actually losing in the end for once. |
the hero losing was my least favorite part of Battle of the Gods. Hopefully Goku gets more powerful than everyone soon. At least more powerful than Beerus
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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
the hero losing was my least favorite part of Battle of the Gods. Hopefully Goku gets more powerful than everyone soon. At least more powerful than Beerus |
Not very likely to happen. Either way, I liked taking a look at the power readings here.
Goku SSG was supposedly a 6, Beerus is a 10, Whis a 15, according to Toriyama. So that's why Whis mentions Beerus had to use almost 70% of his full power to beat him. However, Golden Frieza beats even a SSGSS, and yet asks Beerus not to intervene, as he could still beat him. So SSGSS is no more than 50% above SSG, maybe an 8, maybe an 9, and Golden Frieza at full power is just above that, and comes just short of Beerus.
haxxiy said:
Goku SSG was supposedly a 6, Beerus is a 10, Whis a 15, according to Toriyama. So that's why Whis mentions Beerus had to use almost 70% of his full power to beat him. However, Golden Frieza beats even a SSGSS, and yet asks Beerus not to intervene, as he could still beat him. So SSGSS is no more than 50% above SSG, maybe an 8, maybe an 9, and Golden Frieza at full power is just above that, and comes just short of Beerus.
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ok but Goku went from like a 3 maybe to an 8 in a couple films. He'll be at 15 soon enough.
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Hiku said: Yeah, I've read that interview. Though I wonder where the info that SSGSS is stronger than SSG came from? Was it mentioned in the second movie by someone? I can't recall. |
I think a Shonen mentions SSGSS Goku could beat 70% Beerus. Also the latest 3DS game...
Hiku said: I see. I'd like to see the Shounen article to see where it originated from. So I'll see if I can find it. As it can be misscommunication or missunderstandings. For example, Toriyama said that while Goku was (in his opinion) a 6 while fighting Beerus, he added that "Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables." |
I guess SSGSS could be the way they manage to go back to SSG levels of power-up once they ran out of SSG time and master the sayan beyond god stuff. Inferior surely it is not, given the way Whis mentions in the latest movie Goku and Vegeta together could beat Beerus, and they didn't go through any zenkai or significant time of training.
But the more likely answer is that Toriyama wrote/talked itself into a corner as usual, really, after deciding neither Golden Frieza or SSGSS could beat Beerus. Much like the godly power of Vegetto had to be curbed for a few more chapters of Buu, so we got the Earth destroyed and Goku's genki-dama instead of this:
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Is that from the Dragonball Universe fan fiction manga?
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Hiku said: If that form is stronger than SSG, then that is probably how it works. But I'm not sure if the form itself is stronger than SSG, or that Goku and Vegeta trained themselves to be strong enough to be able to beat Beerus together. (I can't recall if Whis was refering to 70% Beerus as he was in the fight with Goku, or Beerus at 100% when he said that.) Either way, it's hard to measure just how strong two people need to be in order to combined be able to beat a stronger opponent. Goku might have gone through Zenkai after his fight with Beerus in the first film. And after that, (between the end of the first movie and beginning of the second) Whis could have granted Goku and Vegeta the experience a few times while training to increase their battle capabilities. |
Oh, now that you mention it, I remember the good old power levels. They screwed it badly around Frieza because the official power levels mean, besides the 50x super sayan multiplier, absurdly high 10-25x Zenkais for Goku and Vegeta after the Ginyu force, and a similar power level increase for Piccolo between Frieza and the Androids. And then Shonen/Toriyama went on to say "it was to show numbers don't matter" to try to fix it...
As for Vegetto, on this week's episode, after being beaten badly, Goku mentions he thinks even Vegetto couldn't beat Beerus. That's an interesting note, but it remains to be known if Goku is referring to the ascended SS Vegetto which beat Buu Gohan, or an hypotethical SS3 Vegetto. According to the charts I did once for my own amusement (hah) trying to fix the inconsistences since the Ginyu Force, SSJ3 Vegetto would be exactly 90% of Beerus.
haxxiy said:
Oh, now that you mention it, I remember the good old power levels. They screwed it badly around Frieza because the official power levels mean, besides the 50x super sayan multiplier, absurdly high 10-25x Zenkais for Goku and Vegeta after the Ginyu force, and a similar power level increase for Piccolo between Frieza and the Androids. And then Shonen/Toriyama went on to say "it was to show numbers don't matter" to try to fix it... As for Vegetto, on this week's episode, after being beaten badly, Goku mentions he thinks even Vegetto couldn't beat Beerus. That's an interesting note, but it remains to be known if Goku is referring to the ascended SS Vegetto which beat Buu Gohan, or an hypotethical SS3 Vegetto. According to the charts I did once for my own amusement (hah) trying to fix the inconsistences since the Ginyu Force, SSJ3 Vegetto would be exactly 90% of Beerus.
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Power levels never mattered lol
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