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I use to like Dragon ball z as a kid but now I can't stand that crap
wheres goku at now? Super Saijan 10 lmao, Such a shitty anime in my opinion



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Hiku said:

I didn't like this one much. Felt a lot more like the old movies, wheres Battle of Gods seemed to take itself less seriously, and focused more on the comedy side, which felt more contemporary with today. So did the new animation style and that they used an insert theme (from Flow). It was also a bit less cliche with the hero actually losing in the end for once.
If I was still a kid, I bet I would have liked Resurrection of F a lot more than Battle of Gods though.

the hero losing was my least favorite part of Battle of the Gods.  Hopefully Goku gets more powerful than everyone soon.  At least more powerful than Beerus



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Hiku said:

I didn't like this one much. Felt a lot more like the old movies, wheres Battle of Gods seemed to take itself less seriously, and focused more on the comedy side, which felt more contemporary with today. So did the new animation style and that they used an insert theme (from Flow). It was also a bit less cliche with the hero actually losing in the end for once.
If I was still a kid, I bet I would have liked Resurrection of F a lot more than Battle of Gods though.

the hero losing was my least favorite part of Battle of the Gods.  Hopefully Goku gets more powerful than everyone soon.  At least more powerful than Beerus


Not very likely to happen. Either way, I liked taking a look at the power readings here.

Goku SSG was supposedly a 6, Beerus is a 10, Whis a 15, according to Toriyama. So that's why Whis mentions Beerus had to use almost 70% of his full power to beat him. However, Golden Frieza beats even a SSGSS, and yet asks Beerus not to intervene, as he could still beat him. So SSGSS is no more than 50% above SSG, maybe an 8, maybe an 9, and Golden Frieza at full power is just above that, and comes just short of Beerus.

 



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

the hero losing was my least favorite part of Battle of the Gods.  Hopefully Goku gets more powerful than everyone soon.  At least more powerful than Beerus


Not very likely to happen. Either way, I liked taking a look at the power readings here.

Goku SSG was supposedly a 6, Beerus is a 10, Whis a 15, according to Toriyama. So that's why Whis mentions Beerus had to use almost 70% of his full power to beat him. However, Golden Frieza beats even a SSGSS, and yet asks Beerus not to intervene, as he could still beat him. So SSGSS is no more than 50% above SSG, maybe an 8, maybe an 9, and Golden Frieza at full power is just above that, and comes just short of Beerus.

 

ok but Goku went from like a 3 maybe to an 8 in a couple films.  He'll be at 15 soon enough.



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Hiku said:

Yeah, I've read that interview. Though I wonder where the info that SSGSS is stronger than SSG came from? Was it mentioned in the second movie by someone? I can't recall.


I think a Shonen mentions SSGSS Goku could beat 70% Beerus. Also the latest 3DS game...



 

 

 

 

 

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Hiku said:

I see. I'd like to see the Shounen article to see where it originated from. So I'll see if I can find it. As it can be misscommunication or missunderstandings. For example, Toriyama said that while Goku was (in his opinion) a 6 while fighting Beerus, he added that "Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables."
So in other words, he thinks Goku could get the upper hand even in SSG form if they fight long enough.
So it's not neccisarily that the form of SSGSS has to be stronger than the SSJG form in order for Goku or Vegeta to now be stronger than 70% Beerus. It could also be the result of their training after the movie.
So I'd like to see what the original quote says exactly, and where it came from, since it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that a form achieved by one self could be a bit weaker than the one achieved with the energy of 5 other people. It reminds me a bit of how Goku and Vegeta refused to turn into Vejito again, even though they would be more powerful in that form, and instead fought Buu with their own strength.

I guess SSGSS could be the way they manage to go back to SSG levels of power-up once they ran out of SSG time and master the sayan beyond god stuff. Inferior surely it is not, given the way Whis mentions in the latest movie Goku and Vegeta together could beat Beerus, and they didn't go through any zenkai or significant time of training.

But the more likely answer is that Toriyama wrote/talked itself into a corner as usual, really, after deciding neither Golden Frieza or SSGSS could beat Beerus. Much like the godly power of Vegetto had to be curbed for a few more chapters of Buu, so we got the Earth destroyed and Goku's genki-dama instead of this:

 

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

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Is that from the Dragonball Universe fan fiction manga?



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Hiku said:

If that form is stronger than SSG, then that is probably how it works. But I'm not sure if the form itself is stronger than SSG, or that Goku and Vegeta trained themselves to be strong enough to be able to beat Beerus together. (I can't recall if Whis was refering to 70% Beerus as he was in the fight with Goku, or Beerus at 100% when he said that.) Either way, it's hard to measure just how strong two people need to be in order to combined be able to beat a stronger opponent. Goku might have gone through Zenkai after his fight with Beerus in the first film. And after that, (between the end of the first movie and beginning of the second) Whis could have granted Goku and Vegeta the experience a few times while training to increase their battle capabilities.
Goku for example became several times stronger by the end of the Frieza saga than he was when he landed on the planet (from 90 000 to 3 000 000), not counting any power ups or transformations. So it's hard to determine exactly how much he could have grown by training with Whiss in his new form.

Vegetto's power is a bit odd. According to the description of it on the Wikis (I forget what they said of it in the manga), it multiplies their powers with each other, which sounds a bit odd. That last officiall recorded powerlevel coming from Toriyama was Goku's 150 000 000 during his battle with Frieza. (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/databook/) Even if Goku and Vegeta were still this weak when they fused (and they were obviously much stronger) their power level would be 22 500 000 000 000 000 as Vegitto.
But according to the manga, it seems that fusion only adds (not multiply) one's power to the other. http://www.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/504/2
So I guess that's an error in the description on the Wiki pages.

I'm not doubting that Goku in Ressurection of F is stronger than he was in Battle of Gods. I'm just wondering about the form itself.
Vegetto was one of the things that made me wonder about it as well.  Seems a bit odd that a form that required several people/a certain ritual would be weaker than the self attained one, with seemingly no drawback. When it comes to fusion, the cost of skipping the ritual (fusion dance, which could go horribly wrong) and the time limit, was that you had to be fused together forever. SSGSS seems to have no such drawback, so that's one of the reasons I'm wondering about this.

Oh, now that you mention it, I remember the good old power levels. They screwed it badly around Frieza because the official power levels mean, besides the 50x super sayan multiplier, absurdly high 10-25x Zenkais for Goku and Vegeta after the Ginyu force, and a similar power level increase for Piccolo between Frieza and the Androids. And then Shonen/Toriyama went on to say "it was to show numbers don't matter" to try to fix it...

As for Vegetto, on this week's episode, after being beaten badly, Goku mentions he thinks even Vegetto couldn't beat Beerus. That's an interesting note, but it remains to be known if Goku is referring to the ascended SS Vegetto which beat Buu Gohan, or an hypotethical SS3 Vegetto. According to the charts I did once for my own amusement (hah) trying to fix the inconsistences since the Ginyu Force, SSJ3 Vegetto would be exactly 90% of Beerus.

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
Hiku said:

If that form is stronger than SSG, then that is probably how it works. But I'm not sure if the form itself is stronger than SSG, or that Goku and Vegeta trained themselves to be strong enough to be able to beat Beerus together. (I can't recall if Whis was refering to 70% Beerus as he was in the fight with Goku, or Beerus at 100% when he said that.) Either way, it's hard to measure just how strong two people need to be in order to combined be able to beat a stronger opponent. Goku might have gone through Zenkai after his fight with Beerus in the first film. And after that, (between the end of the first movie and beginning of the second) Whis could have granted Goku and Vegeta the experience a few times while training to increase their battle capabilities.
Goku for example became several times stronger by the end of the Frieza saga than he was when he landed on the planet (from 90 000 to 3 000 000), not counting any power ups or transformations. So it's hard to determine exactly how much he could have grown by training with Whiss in his new form.

Vegetto's power is a bit odd. According to the description of it on the Wikis (I forget what they said of it in the manga), it multiplies their powers with each other, which sounds a bit odd. That last officiall recorded powerlevel coming from Toriyama was Goku's 150 000 000 during his battle with Frieza. (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/databook/) Even if Goku and Vegeta were still this weak when they fused (and they were obviously much stronger) their power level would be 22 500 000 000 000 000 as Vegitto.
But according to the manga, it seems that fusion only adds (not multiply) one's power to the other. http://www.mangareader.net/dragon-ball/504/2
So I guess that's an error in the description on the Wiki pages.

I'm not doubting that Goku in Ressurection of F is stronger than he was in Battle of Gods. I'm just wondering about the form itself.
Vegetto was one of the things that made me wonder about it as well.  Seems a bit odd that a form that required several people/a certain ritual would be weaker than the self attained one, with seemingly no drawback. When it comes to fusion, the cost of skipping the ritual (fusion dance, which could go horribly wrong) and the time limit, was that you had to be fused together forever. SSGSS seems to have no such drawback, so that's one of the reasons I'm wondering about this.

Oh, now that you mention it, I remember the good old power levels. They screwed it badly around Frieza because the official power levels mean, besides the 50x super sayan multiplier, absurdly high 10-25x Zenkais for Goku and Vegeta after the Ginyu force, and a similar power level increase for Piccolo between Frieza and the Androids. And then Shonen/Toriyama went on to say "it was to show numbers don't matter" to try to fix it...

As for Vegetto, on this week's episode, after being beaten badly, Goku mentions he thinks even Vegetto couldn't beat Beerus. That's an interesting note, but it remains to be known if Goku is referring to the ascended SS Vegetto which beat Buu Gohan, or an hypotethical SS3 Vegetto. According to the charts I did once for my own amusement (hah) trying to fix the inconsistences since the Ginyu Force, SSJ3 Vegetto would be exactly 90% of Beerus.

 

 

Power levels never mattered lol



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