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bowserthedog on 07 August 2015
ReimTime said:

Right so I'll try to be a little more intelligent.

Harper: Only way I could vote for this man is if Putin and Castro led the other parties. If I could summarize my dislike for Harper and put it into a paper I would call it Bill C-45; because of how he and the Tories buried questionable legislation within it, such as removing the protection and/or Federal oversight from 99.9% of our rivers (and 99.7% of our lakes). If nobody remembers this bill, it was the cause of the whole "Idle No More" movement. Another example would be the replacement of Canada's Environmental Assessment Act within Bill C-38 (the "Jobs, Growth, and Long-Term Prosperity Act"). Canada's laws on such matters are terrible enough as it is (did you know that Nestle gets charged $2.25 for every one million litres of water they extract from the ground in BC? You know, the water they profit off of?), so we don't need a PM who seems to think that selling off our land and natural resources is a good idea. I dislike how he treats Canadian Scientists, I dislike the controversy that surrounds him (robocalls, senate spending, corporate tax cuts etc), I dislike his disdain for our environment and natural beauty, and I especially dislike how he spends so much time and money on childish attack ads against the opposition. He's slimy and he's been in power for much too long already. I want him out.

Mulcair: Many would think that he is the next leader (coming off Layton's success and the Alberta elected NDP gov't) but I am not so sure. I'm looking forward to seeing what he's all about in the election debates that will be coming up. So far, I'm not too impressed. Perhaps it's because Layton was such a different personality whom I quite liked as a politician, but the way Mulcair seems to point fingers at Harper more than pushing his own platform kind of grinds my gears. However I like the NDP stance on Environmental matters and economic policy, so the NDP party very well may get my vote.

Trudeau: I think he is too young to be PM. No, I was not swayed by Harper's propaganda. I believe that Trudeau is more of a people's rockstar than a responsible politician; famous because of his name and not because of his policies. He will fight over the young-person's vote with the NDP and he may get it but a future with him running the country will probably be a little uncertain. I stand right in the middle of the political spectrum in my beliefs, so you might call me a Liberal; but I am not sure how well Trudeau would represent those beliefs. I am stuck between voting for him and Mulcair.

So who does my vote go to? Brad Wall, the premier of my home province and the best politicial representative that I have seen in this day and age. I could talk about him but they may be going off topic a little. #WallForPM lol.


Brad Wall may be a wonderfull premiere but he can do little to turn the pathetic RoughRiders around.  #goblue



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bowserthedog on 07 August 2015

For those new to Canadian politics allow me to backtrack a little bit. So basically british and French settlements were started in the eastern part of Canada. Over the coarse of time people started to migrate further and further west. By the powers that be at the time this very quickly came about harvesting the precious minerals, lumber, and later on oil of the west in order to line the pockets of easterners. After a while this kind of went away until Pierre Elliot Trudeau came into power. He focused heavily on centralized power and having the wealthy provinces share money with the not so wealthy provinces. He demanded that provinces like BC and Alberta share the wealth. BC and Alberta didn't have very many seats in the house of commons and had no electoral power to prevent this from happening.

For years the west took orders from Eastern politicians until Stephen Harper the current Prime Minister took over. He's been in power for a while and people are starting to get bored of him and want change. So in any event it looks like the NDP will win even though they've never been in power before. The LIberals who are usually in power are now led by Pierre Trudeau's son Justin. So the Liberals will not do well in the west as they view his centralized carbon tax policy as ore western alienation and haven't forgot what his father did to them.

The NDP are at alltime high's in terms of support and this is mostly due to Quebec. Quebec for many years supported a separatist party but have recently realised that a Quebec only party doesn't actually give them any power and have given the NDP a shot since they have trust issues with the PC's and the Liberal party.

What we are probably going to be looking at is a minority government. Unlike Americans who can vote for their local reps and also the president Canadian can only vote for their local party. The leader of the party with the most representatives in the house of commons becomes the Prime Minister. The system is the shits but at least it keeps Donald Trump type guys from having a chance to win.



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bowserthedog on 07 August 2015
Leadified said:
The Maclean's debate ended earlier today so I'll post some thoughts:

Overall I have to say the Elizabeth May without a doubt was the winner here. She came off as very strong, asked all the right questions, knew what she was talking about and had a pretty clear stance. I also think that this debate really will help the Green Party shake off the image of being a one issue party. I honestly forgot May was going to be at the debate which is regrettable because she really came out swinging.

Muclair I would put in a solid second. He started off slow but really got going as the debate went on. Similar to May he came off as very strong, asked the right questions and he knew what he was talking about. His presentation was good in the sense that it was calm and collected but he also appeared a bit too cold at times. Overall a solid performance and I think he has proved that the NDP are a serious contender.

Credit where credit is due, Harper did okay. He kept it together which is important considering the sharp criticism form the other three. In terms of actual policy however I don't really think a lot was said. Nothing particularly awful but nothing to write home about either.

On the bottom I have to put Trudeau. He gets points for being passionate and honestly I can't blame him for getting frustrated at Harper for all the attack ads aimed against him. But I think his greatest weakness was that he talked too much but said little of value. I thought he struggled against Harper and Muclair's counterpoints and the whole Clarity Act thing felt rather desperate.

However this is just the beginning! We have three more debates to go in the upcoming months. Hopefully we'll get some opinion polls soon and see if the debate had any significant impact.

The thing about May is that she can promise whatever she wants and knows she will never be in a position to have to back up what she says so she can come off looking pretty good in a debate. If she had any chance of winning she'd be a lot more reserved.



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ReimTime on 07 August 2015
bowserthedog said:


Brad Wall may be a wonderfull premiere but he can do little to turn the pathetic RoughRiders around.  #goblue


Ouch. You're right though our season has been fairly terrible in terms of defense, luck, and record.

@ Ninten: Pfffft Quebec. Jk I think I might move there for the final 2 years of University to experience Montreal and McGill. And French Canadian Women. And Poutine. Mostly poutine.



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Leadified on 07 August 2015
bowserthedog said:

The thing about May is that she can promise whatever she wants and knows she will never be in a position to have to back up what she says so she can come off looking pretty good in a debate. If she had any chance of winning she'd be a lot more reserved.

Yeah that is very true. She does have a lot more room to say what she thinks compared especially to the NDP and Tories. But I do think that she is doing a good job at laying the foundation for the future of her party.