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Who will win Super Bowl 50?

Patriots 116 25.00%
 
Seahawks 41 8.84%
 
Colts 7 1.51%
 
Packers 42 9.05%
 
Broncos 85 18.32%
 
Ravens 8 1.72%
 
Cowboys 18 3.88%
 
Panthers 56 12.07%
 
Other 74 15.95%
 
Scoreboard 17 3.66%
 
Total:464
noname2200 said:
Chris Hu said:

Well Calvin Johnson had a lot of injuries in the last couple of seasons.  Also right now he is not even in the same league as Barry Sanders.  Barry Sanders was a first ballot Hall of Famer.  If Johnson doesn't play another game his numbers probably are not good enough to get him into the Hall of Fame.

Nonsense. The NFL had to invent a rule just to screw the guy over. Now that's talent!

Seriously, the reason no one knows what a catch is anymore is thanks to him, or more that ridiculous call in Chicago (it was a fucking catch!).  However I do agree that as it stands now Johnson is a borderline hall of famer, certainly not a first ballot guy, but the standards for a wide receiver are vastly different than that of a running back, as rbs tend to have shorter careers.  Hell, the hall inducted one back based almost solely on potential in Gayle Sayers, and Floyd Little is in the hall more because he saved the broncos franchise than his stats.  Receivers don't get anywhere near as much benefit of the doubt, without a long career, records or exceptional playoff stats they don't stand much of a chance.  Hell, sometimes with all those things it can be a crap shoot, just ask Art Monk.



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noname2200 said:
Chris Hu said:

Right now there are about two dozen other players that have better numbers then he does that aren't in the Hall of Fame yet.  If he makes it then Larry Centers definely needs to make it in before he does.  There will never be another fullback or runnig back that will come close to getting 827 career receptions.

Counterpoint: not only is there no such thing as the Larry Centers rule, and not only did Centers not waste his career having the ball "thrown" to him by one Matthew Stafford, but if you're advocating a running back get in based on his passing numbers you may be doing it wrong.

Larry Centers was a fullback but when it comes to catching the ball he had more talent then most wide receivers and tight ends.  He is the only back field player to have over 100 receptions in a single season he caught 101 passes in 1995.  Plus pretty much during his entire career he never played with a quaterback that is as good as Matthew Stafford.  Since he spend the majority of his career with the Arizona Cardinals in the 90s he pretty much had a different starting quaterback every season of his career.



just got back, curse that HFA, wel done MTZ & Chris

good job panthers,hope they win the superbowl,should be good

who is on Half time entertainment duty this year



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Chris Hu said:
noname2200 said:

Counterpoint: not only is there no such thing as the Larry Centers rule, and not only did Centers not waste his career having the ball "thrown" to him by one Matthew Stafford, but if you're advocating a running back get in based on his passing numbers you may be doing it wrong.

Larry Centers was a fullback but when it comes to catching the ball he had more talent then most wide receivers and tight ends.  He is the only back field player to have over 100 receptions in a single season he caught 101 passes in 1995.  Plus pretty much during his entire career he never played with a quaterback that is as good as Matthew Stafford.  Since he spend the majority of his career with the Arizona Cardinals in the 90s he pretty much had a different starting quaterback every season of his career.

So what you're saying is that his receiving career consisted of getting matched up against middle linebackers, and his receiving numbers were grossly inflated by a career of quarterbacks who were prone to throw screens and checkdowns. Gotcha!

 

I'm being partly facetious. I don't actually have much of an opinion on Centers one way or the other. Megatron should probably make the Hall for having a three year stretch of being utterly phenomenal, but it wouldn't be a travesty if he was left out.



Farsala said:



I hope it is all correct.

Thoughts on the season without any research and Steelers bias:

Broncos, Colts, Patriots, Covvboys, Saints got easy divisions, especially the Colts. True but the Colts, Cowboys, and Saints still sucked.

Ravens will dominate but Steelers vvill try to keep them in check, and then eliminate them in afc divisional. Ravens sucked, should be Bengals*.

49ers are looking at the worst season in years. Cardinals and Seahawks will have a good position to win. Very True

Patriots will be fine during the season but lose a playoff game. True

Packers without Jordy will require Aaron to use other people, this might be a good thing.  Not such a good thing, but they still fine.

Chiefs are good but always choke in playoffs. Very True

Lions or Vikings will have a decent season but Packers will probably dominate. True

Its funny to look at old predictions.

Anyways for the Super Bowl I feel Panthers are the much better team, but they might randomly choke and give Manning a proper sendoff.



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Chris Hu said:

  If Johnson doesn't play another game his numbers probably are not good enough to get him into the Hall of Fame.

There are HOF WRs with worse stats AND less games played.  CJ's production, especially in the time frame achieved,  are easily HOF worthy.

Its all about the impact a player makes while he's on the field.  Gale Sayers is a HOFer despite having his career cut short early (6 seasons).  CJ's a 6x pro bowler & 3x all pro,  those credentials are enough as  players with lesser achievements have gotten in.  

Other career shortnened players like Sterling Sharpe should get in eventually as well, who certainly was superior to overrated guys like Irvin.



RolStoppable said:

And the Packers certainly didn't dominate when they didn't even win the NFC North. The last prediction is too ambigious to claim a "true" in hindsight.

Lacy dominated the buffet lines. Isn't that enough?



Chris Hu said:
noname2200 said:

Counterpoint: not only is there no such thing as the Larry Centers rule, and not only did Centers not waste his career having the ball "thrown" to him by one Matthew Stafford, but if you're advocating a running back get in based on his passing numbers you may be doing it wrong.

Larry Centers was a fullback but when it comes to catching the ball he had more talent then most wide receivers and tight ends.  He is the only back field player to have over 100 receptions in a single season he caught 101 passes in 1995.  Plus pretty much during his entire career he never played with a quaterback that is as good as Matthew Stafford.  Since he spend the majority of his career with the Arizona Cardinals in the 90s he pretty much had a different starting quaterback every season of his career.

I'm almost positive either LT or Faulk also had a triple digit receiving season out of the backfield. LT and Centers though, a huge chunk of their receptions were just dump offs and short passes. Faulk would average 10+ yards per catch out of the backfield. I doubt voters put much emphasis on his receiving game and more on his blocking ability, which imho was always above average at best.

Idk if he gets in either, his numbers are good, but not amazing, which says a lot considering the era he is playing in. As a Broncos fan, if he gets in before TD I will literally form a football out of feces I find in random public restrooms and hit Peter King in the face with it.



Just stopping in to say "Go Denver", get D Ware that ring he deserves.



se7en7thre3 said:
Chris Hu said:

  If Johnson doesn't play another game his numbers probably are not good enough to get him into the Hall of Fame.

There are HOF WRs with worse stats AND less games played.  CJ's production, especially in the time frame achieved,  are easily HOF worthy.

Its all about the impact a player makes while he's on the field.  Gale Sayers is a HOFer despite having his career cut short early (6 seasons).  CJ's a 6x pro bowler & 3x all pro,  those credentials are enough as  players with lesser achievements have gotten in.  

Other career shortnened players like Sterling Sharpe should get in eventually as well, who certainly was superior to overrated guys like Irvin.

Well he might get in eventually but if he doesn't play another game he certainly isn't going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer.  To be a first ballot Hall of Famer not only do need great numbers but you also need to be liked by the voters.  Marvin Harrison should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer but apperently he wasn't liked by enough voters to be one.  As far as thight ends and receivers go I'm pretty sure that Tony Gonzales will be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Also Larry Fitzgerald and Jason Witten are pretty much guranteed to be first ballot Hall of Famers also.