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Skullwaker said:
KLXVER said:
Skyward Sword

A Link Between Worlds

Phantom Hourglass

Spirit Tracks

Ocarina Of Time 3D

Majoras Mask 3D

Wind Waker HD

Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Anniversary Edition

 

Thats since 2007

I wasn't including spinoffs/remakes for any of the series. Assassin's Creed had like 7 of those but I don't consider them true and new AC games, just like the upcoming Tri Force Heroes isn't legit Zelda, and Mario Party 10 isn't legit Mario.

I think he's mainly talking about use of the IP for sales on home/handheld consoles.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
I think he's mainly talking about use of the IP for sales on home/handheld consoles.

 

I think you're right.

But I feel as if the numbers of releases are bloated by default due to the separated handheld/home console divisions. So, there are always 2 Mario Karts, 2+ Mario Parties, 2+ Zelda games, etc. If we just look at one system separate from the other, it paints a more favorable picture, which would be a good reason for them to go with a unified platform imo. They could use those resources to build new IPs or put more into games that don't typically get that much attention.



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Skullwaker said:
KLXVER said:
Skyward Sword

A Link Between Worlds

Phantom Hourglass

Spirit Tracks

Ocarina Of Time 3D

Majoras Mask 3D

Wind Waker HD

Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Anniversary Edition

 

Thats since 2007

I wasn't including spinoffs/remakes for any of the series. Assassin's Creed had like 7 of those but I don't consider them true and new AC games, just like the upcoming Tri Force Heroes isn't legit Zelda, and Mario Party 10 isn't legit Mario.


Oh it isnt legit? Well excuse me then...

The fact is that Mario, Zelda and Pokemon are overused franchises at this point. They wont draw in new core or casual gamers with them anymore.

They need to expand.  Instead of remaking every god damn Zelda game, they should invest in new IPs. If not they will only cater to their core fanbase. A fanbase thats shrinking by the day.



KLXVER said:
Oh it isnt legit? Well excuse me then...

The fact is that Mario, Zelda and Pokemon are overused franchises at this point. They wont draw in new core or casual gamers with them anymore.

They need to expand.  Instead of remaking every god damn Zelda game, they should invest in new IPs. If not they will only cater to their core fanbase. A fanbase thats shrinking by the day.

Lol, no need to get sassy.

I get what you're saying and I agree to an extent.



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FunFan said:

I think they make too many. I wish they would do less Wii Party style BS and focus more on Zelda caliber projects. Even if it results in overall less games, there would be more high quality ones, and less fillers.


In retrospect, continuing to develop games like Wii Party and Wii Fit probably seemed like the logical direction after they were so successful on the Wii.  They didn't work this generation and Nintendo responded by restraining their development; we haven't had any of those games in at least a year and I'm unaware of any upcoming titles.

I don't think that Nintendo revitalization is as simple as developing more games or enticing third-party developers.  Nintendo needs to offer a platform with an experience unlike other consoles.  I'd argue that the success of the Wii was dependent on its motion controls; they provided a new facet of gameplay that (at the time) could not be found elsewhere. Nintendo tried to be inventive with the gamepad, but it didn't offer the same type of experience as motion controls.  With motion controls, we can pretend we're holding a baseball bat, swing, and see a response on the screen - with the gampad, we're playing Super Smash in the bathroom.  I actually enjoy the gamepad, but it doesn't have the same wow factor.

Another issue is the waning popularity of Nintendo.  On its own, 10 million sales for Pokemon ORAS seems monumental.  But when we compare it to the 35+ million that Grand Theft Auto V sold across different platforms, it looks a lot less impressive.  It seems like most people don't want Mario anymore... and eventually they won't want Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty anymore either.  We may even be reaching that time soon with the Minecraft games blossoming.



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Skullwaker said:
KLXVER said:
Oh it isnt legit? Well excuse me then...

The fact is that Mario, Zelda and Pokemon are overused franchises at this point. They wont draw in new core or casual gamers with them anymore.

They need to expand.  Instead of remaking every god damn Zelda game, they should invest in new IPs. If not they will only cater to their core fanbase. A fanbase thats shrinking by the day.

Lol, no need to get sassy.

I get what you're saying and I agree to an extent.


Im just saying that Nintendo needs to shake things up. Im a Zelda fan and have bought them all, but Im not getting Trihex Force or Forced Trihex or whatever that thing is called. They are just getting lazy at this point.



Captain_Yuri said:
Bofferbrauer said:

That's not Nintendo employees, the 3000 figure is not up to date. Nintendo has over 5000 employees, and the numbers had been rising for years now:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo At worst, 3000+ is the number of pure video game developers which have nothing to do with the hardware or other non-programming related.

It also excludes the developers from their partner studios like Intelligent Systems or HAL Laboratory.

Welp, thats what I get for trusting wiki with google search + being lazy

Either ways, it is quite impressive imo still since Nintendo still has two hardware to manage while companies like EA who still have quite a bit more employees don't

Part of the reason is how they are organised. At Nintendo, the different divisions are more integrated and work with each other to some degree. Sound Group, UI Group and Development environement for example, design the game engines, UI, special effects and sound/music for most of their games while at EA, each studio has it's own departement for these things, duplicating the employees needed for those. Thus Nintendo needs less employees for the same amount of work.

EA also need more developers because they programm for more plattforms. While they develop nothing more for the Wii U, there's still PS4, PSVita (not sure if they still support it), PS3, Xbox ONE, Xbox 360, PC, Mobile (Smartphone and Tablets), Webgames and the 3DS



KLXVER said:
Im just saying that Nintendo needs to shake things up. Im a Zelda fan and have bought them all, but Im not getting Trihex Force or Forced Trihex or whatever that thing is called. They are just getting lazy at this point.

I think at this point they're just trying to ride out this gen with as much profit as possible.

It's encouraging that they're putting so much stake into games like Splatoon and Xenoblade Chronicles X, while still investing in other risky projects like Codename STEAM, The Wonderful 101 and Tomodachi Life, and reviving franchises like Kid Icarus and Star Fox. It's just that they typically don't give the needed marketing push for these games (aside from Splatoon and TL, which nailed it).

Of course, they need to do stuff like this more, but given the situation they're in right at this moment, I can kind of understand. Hopefully they begin the 9th gen with a bang and try out risky things from the gate. I don't want to see any resources wasted on stuff like Wii Fit or Wii Sports (and looking at the sales for the games on Wii U, I don't think we will).



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KLXVER said:

They need to expand.  Instead of remaking every god damn Zelda game, they should invest in new IPs. If not they will only cater to their core fanbase. A fanbase thats shrinking by the day.


I mostly agree with this statement.  Their main franchises are awesome, but they're beginning to feel so saturated.  I believe that Splatoon's success will encourage Nintendo to experiment with new franchises... I just hope it expands to reviving old ones (I'm looking at you Star Tropics and Earthbound!).



KLXVER said:
Skullwaker said:

I wasn't including spinoffs/remakes for any of the series. Assassin's Creed had like 7 of those but I don't consider them true and new AC games, just like the upcoming Tri Force Heroes isn't legit Zelda, and Mario Party 10 isn't legit Mario.


Oh it isnt legit? Well excuse me then...

The fact is that Mario, Zelda and Pokemon are overused franchises at this point. They wont draw in new core or casual gamers with them anymore.

They need to expand.  Instead of remaking every god damn Zelda game, they should invest in new IPs. If not they will only cater to their core fanbase. A fanbase thats shrinking by the day.

Sony must be doomed then with all their remasters (with barely any changes).

Those two Zelda remakes on the 3DS were made by a very small third party studio. What original games were you expecting Grezzo to make instead of remakes?

Wind Waker HD was made in 6 months by the Zelda team...