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Captain_Yuri said:
Dusk said:
Captain_Yuri said:

I am well aware how similar the consoles have become to PC but there is also a distinct difference that consoles should always have that PCs won't for better or for worse which I explained on another post

And I also know that its not as custom to say the PS4/XB's level but it is certainly trying to be


I'm gonna go ahead and disagree. I really don't see how it's trying to be custom though. That would be the same as me taking Ubuntu, changing the desktop to LXDE and calling it my own distrobution, which admittedly has happened, but it doesn't make it a different distrobution, it just makes it a spin on the Ubuntu Distro. 

Well it is trying to put all the typical linux experience in the backend and trying to push its UI onto the front. Valve is trying to make sure that Steam OS is gaming first and everything else later where as all the other versions of Linux are not... You look at all the different Linux OS's out there whether it be Ubuntu, SuSE, Redhat, Kali and etc, they all have similar enough UI experience even though they are used for different purposes but Steam OS on the other hand want it to be a very different experience.

Granted the coding itself and how Distro works isn't all that different and you can do all the linux functions without too much of a hassle once you know what you are doing but Valve certainly wants the "Big Picture" experience at the forefront of Steam OS rather than what the typical linux experience is. Oh and its not like they can't make their own distro in the future since valve has the money to do so

Not true actually. There are many uses of Linux. Some are set up for servers, some for desktop, some for gaming, some to be light for older machines, and some ultra light for any machine. The UI is far from the only difference. A UI can be used with any distro, for the main distros they are quite different with how they are set up. Take it from the file system, the file managment, as well as the most noticable, the package manager. With that, it incorporates how each system is set up and programs are installed. Quite different. 

The UI is similar with many distro's because of the desktop, generally Gnome or KDE, but beyond that the back end can be quite different. Steam OS actually uses one of the most used desktops, ie Gnome, but have the Steam overlay on top of that. So no, it's not different. It's based on Debian, one of the most used distros, along with Gnome, one of the most used desktops and has steam installed, like most desktops running Linux. 

Of course they want Bit Picture at the forefront. It's what gives most users a simple experience, quite similar to PSOS, or Wii U OS, or even X1 OS. They all have their simple overlay that helps with simplicity so that people don't have to deal with a normal desktop, executables or the command line. 

They COULD make their own linux distro, but they likely won't. They would have to create their own package manager and likely desktop as well. That is one hell of an under taking, and one not to be taken lightly. There is a reason there are only a few of them. Plus if they were to build their own, it would likely be build on Unix as opposed to Linux since they would need to create almost everything from scratch. Sony has had the ability to create their own but multiple devices use it, TV's, DVD/Blu-rays, their MP3's use the back end, and of course there is the PS3 and PS4. Nintendo has done the same but they are at a disadvantage with this and it shows at times. There is a reason MS has utilized Windows as thier OS. Valve is a large company and they have lots of money, but they also aren't ignorant to how much manpower and resources it would take to do what you suggest. Perhaps they might if Steam Machines take off. This way it's free, and they don't need to supply the OS to anybody to have them develop for them which could cut down their development resources that give full support. 



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

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LOL they are just a PC with a non-windows OS installed. That is literally it.



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the-pi-guy said:
FromDK said:

I dont think you mean like transform.. but work as a console.. :)

No.. when you use steam machine on a windows/linux or mac computer.. its only a program on top of windows..  you still have to use a keybaord and mouse some times.. and steam will only update the program (not the hole system/drivers)

But it would for sure make it more "console like" (when you have the program open)

Incorrect.  

You can use Steam with a controller, additionally you can have it start up right away in Steam mode.  

He only said if he installed steam machine..  (but you are right.. if you have the steam controller.. no need for mouse/keyboard)



Captain_Yuri said:

No its a PC with a custom linux OS on it (Most of them over priced)

I mean we should have just locked the thread here



Ka-pi96 said:
PCs don't have gens, so no.


Well they kinda do, usually a new gen happens so regularly though that you dont really track it, every couple of months when a new CPU, Graphics board etc is released. It is the key pain point with PC's making it hard for developers to target for a common level and harder still for consumers (unless knowledgable) to decide what they require or how well the game will run before purchase.  I love PC gaming but consoles destroy them for price/value as well as simplicity in spec. If you buy an xbox one or ps4 game you know it will play the same on all ps4 or Xbox Ones the same, you also know that games can be tuned to a far higher degree to fully utilise the hardware.

Even with that in mind I will still be primarily a PC gamer I just wouldn't touch a "steam" machine with a rubber gloves and a 40 foot pole.



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- steam machines arent consoles
- pspgo is a handheld
- pspgo was a psp without a discdrive
- pspgo didnt need always online to play the games, games could also be downloaded on the ps3 and then copied to pspgo



It was released after the current gen so it must be next gen. Platform and power doesn't matter.



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No, they're PC's and don't count in console generations.



Its a PC that looks like a console... but is neither a real pc nor a real console.
Its going to flop hard (imo).

----------> Also the 449$ steam machine models are weaker than the PS4, by a good bit. <----------

Once the PS4 gets a price cut to 299$.... steam machine is done.



JRPGfan said:

Its a PC that looks like a console... but is neither a real pc nor a real console.
Its going to flop hard (imo).

----------> Also the 449$ steam machine models are weaker than the PS4, by a good bit. <----------

Once the PS4 gets a price cut to 299$.... steam machine is done.

Are you saying it can compete now that ps4 is still at $400? No. Like everyone has said, they are overpriced PC's. They wont make it.



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