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6. Clones - just an awful film overall
5. Sith - too much action imo.  really stupid plot points.
4. Phantom Menace - gets too much hate imo, not that i'm saying it's good.
3. Jedi
2. New Hope
1. Empire

don't have much to say about the original trilogy, i think that's more or less the universally accepted ranking for the original trilogy.



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A New Hope 8/10 - what started it all and was just so amazing for the time
Empire Strikes back 8/10 - a great follow up, better in most ways than the first, but the first wins because it started it all.
Return of the Jedi 6/10 - I liked it a lot when it came out, aside from the Ewoks. But it doesn't really stack up so much now.
The Phantom menace 4/10 - Qui Gon Jin dying, because it's always good to kill off a good guy fro time to time. Reminiscent of Obi Won. Darth Maul, though he didn't do much aside from look scary and kill Qui Gon.
Attack of the Clones 3/10 - Can't think of much to say, except I didn't like it.
Revenge of the Sith 3/10 - Didn't like it much either, only saw it once so i can't remember much about it, except for the making of Darth Vader of course.

I expect the 7th movie to be a 5 or 6/10. It won't be very good, but it should be better than the last 3.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. Return Of the Jedi
3.A New Hope
4.Revenge Of The Sith
5.Phantom Menace
6.Attack Of The Clones

 

Really excited to see Episode 7 The Force Awkens on chirstmas eve and really curious to see how the spin offs like Rogue One turn out.



Augen said:
mZuzek said:

Come on, Phantom Menace had a good Star Wars vibe going on and it felt like there was quite a bit of passion behind it. I can see how Episodes 2 and 3 would have felt soulless, but 1 wasn't at all.

I understand why an older person, who grew up watching the originals would be disappointed with the prequels, because they did change a lot, but embracing them for what they are is a better way to judge in my opinion. Clone Wars is garbage, yes, but the other two are solid movies.

My experience with watching Phantom Menace was a mix of confusion and irritation.  What is the conflict, who are we meant to identify with, why should I care about anything I am seeing.  Star Wars had a lived in world that felt real and lived in, from the characters to the ships.  Phantom Menace had no character to attached to or moments that stuck with me. When Qui-Gon died it should have been this dramatic moment, but the character left no impression and Obi-Wan's reaction was so artificial lacking any emotion in his fight that took me right out of what could have been powerful moment, like Obi-Wan sacrificing himself in a New Hope.

Star Wars are about heart, and that is what I failed to see or experience in Epsiodes 1-3.  I didn't care about Naboo or its people with this blockade or the parliament and voting procedure or the slaves that Annakin came from. I never really got why the republic was worth saving and the separtists or trade federation were so bad.  I saw a bunch of useless robots getting chopped up by Jedi and then fighting some clones. By the end I almost welcomed the Empire as dark helmet said "Evil will always triumph, becuase good is dumb".

Wait... I was sure I had replied to this oh well.

I don't really know how to reply to this, actually. I think in the end it just comes down to opinions and our own personal experiences with the movies. Before I get started, I want to thank you for making this thread and engaging in discussion, because you got me interested in watching the movies again, which I have done (well haven't watched Return of the Jedi yet, but whatever) - last time I watched them was around 2-3 years ago I believe, so I didn't remember everything as clearly.

So, yeah... I don't know. I agree that Qui-Gon's death felt a bit artificial, but honestly, I didn't think it was any less powerful than Obi-Wan's sacrifice. They were both somewhat artificial to me. Honestly, the difference I did notice between the trilogies is that, while the originals have these very unique and iconic characters, the characters in the prequels feel more like average human beings - and that's not a good or bad thing for either, it's just different approaches. I think most people, myself included, prefer the original approach, but they're both acceptable.

As for acting, I wouldn't be so fast to say the prequels are worse either. Honestly, watching the prequels, I thought the acting was fine - that is, whenever Hayden wasn't on screen. I didn't remember his acting was so atrocious. That said, while the originals don't have one standout bad performance, I'm not very fond of Mark Hamill on them, and he does deliver some bad lines sometimes too. His "Noooooo" was just as bad as Vader's on the third episode.

Anyways, as I said before, it really does come down to opinion. Though it had been a while since I had watched the Star Wars movies, I'm glad to be reassured now that I can stand by my ranking.



mZuzek said:

Wait... I was sure I had replied to this oh well.

I don't really know how to reply to this, actually. I think in the end it just comes down to opinions and our own personal experiences with the movies. Before I get started, I want to thank you for making this thread and engaging in discussion, because you got me interested in watching the movies again, which I have done (well haven't watched Return of the Jedi yet, but whatever) - last time I watched them was around 2-3 years ago I believe, so I didn't remember everything as clearly.

So, yeah... I don't know. I agree that Qui-Gon's death felt a bit artificial, but honestly, I didn't think it was any less powerful than Obi-Wan's sacrifice. They were both somewhat artificial to me. Honestly, the difference I did notice between the trilogies is that, while the originals have these very unique and iconic characters, the characters in the prequels feel more like average human beings - and that's not a good or bad thing for either, it's just different approaches. I think most people, myself included, prefer the original approach, but they're both acceptable.

As for acting, I wouldn't be so fast to say the prequels are worse either. Honestly, watching the prequels, I thought the acting was fine - that is, whenever Hayden wasn't on screen. I didn't remember his acting was so atrocious. That said, while the originals don't have one standout bad performance, I'm not very fond of Mark Hamill on them, and he does deliver some bad lines sometimes too. His "Noooooo" was just as bad as Vader's on the third episode.

Anyways, as I said before, it really does come down to opinion. Though it had been a while since I had watched the Star Wars movies, I'm glad to be reassured now that I can stand by my ranking.

I understand people have differing opinions.  I like that in discussions, main reason engaged in this is consensus of prequels being garbage to people liking or preferring them over originals.  How did this happen and why do people think this way?

Star Wars: A New Hope is not a complex film.  It knows throwing aliens and space at people is a lot to swallow so it stuck with archetypes as short cuts for the audience.  Empire was the film that added depth.  On that note Obi-Wan in A New Hope comes across as kind and measured in his advice and understanding of the world they inhabit.  He sees the futility of his struggle when he is mocked by smugglers (Solo) about his beliefs and the fact his physical strength has largely left him when he fights Vader.  He has no chance to win against his younger and stronger ex-pupil.  His time has passed him by, so he willingly dies in sacrificial gesture to spark Luke on.  It is sad to see someone decent be seen as a relic and only value is in wisdom he could pass along before death.

Qui-Gon in A Phantom Menace never showed himself to be particularly wise or endearing.  His fight with Maul has no weight because we know nothing about Maul and he has no relationship to Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan.  He is the equivalent of fighting a beast.  You can argue the fight was well choreographed, but it also lacked any emotion, which matters more to me.  

Acting is part of a performance, direction and script play a major role as well.  Actors do multiple takes of about any scene based off the script they are given and the suggestions of the director.  In Empire Han was supposed to say "I love you too" to Leia, but Ford changed it to "I know" because it fit the character better.  What would have been an average line of dialogue instantly became pretty iconic.  So, in the prequels Lucas shows he doesn't really get dialogue in terms of characters and natural flow. People feel wooden in part because the dialogue is not natural.  I don't think Portman, McGregor, Jackson, Neeson or others are bad at acting, I think they were put in a green or blue room and told to give exposition in monotone.  Christensen wasn't great, but he didn't write that line about sand and I bet if he objected Lucas wouldn't listen.  People were so wrapped up in "Ooooh, Star Wars!" they forgot that it is still a film made by people and Lucas is not some cinematic genius beyond criticism.

You referring to Luke on Cloud City saying "No" in response to Vader?  I always found that raw and showing how Luke was beaten and weak in that moment.  Vader's "No" at end of Revenge of the Sith came across as melodrama that lacked real emotion because never bought his love story with Padme.  I've seen people reference that seen for comedic effect, never seen same for Luke done.

Goal is not to change opinions, I loved Star Wars so I do enjoy discussing it given a new film is coming soon. Hopefully it will be enjoyable.



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1 - Empire Strikes Back 10/10
2 - A New Hope 9/10
3 - Revenge of the Sith 8,5/10
4 - Return of the Jedi 8/10
5 - Attack of the Clones 6/10
100000000 - The Phantom Menace (I absolutely HATE it) -10/10



REvenge of the sith 10/10

Return of the Jedi 9/10

Attack of the clones 8/10

Empire Strikes back 8/10

Phantom Menace 7/10

A new hope 7/10



Augen said:

Acting is part of a performance, direction and script play a major role as well.  Actors do multiple takes of about any scene based off the script they are given and the suggestions of the director.  In Empire Han was supposed to say "I love you too" to Leia, but Ford changed it to "I know" because it fit the character better.  What would have been an average line of dialogue instantly became pretty iconic.

Yeah. I'm not replying to most of your post because I feel that it's pointless to discuss beyond this point. I understand where you're coming from and agree with most of your points. I just felt like pointing out something that caught my attention related to this part I quoted.

One thing that really struck me between the trilogies was the love relationships. The Anakin and Padme one in the prequels always felt extremely artificial and scripted, with the actors having no chemistry whatsoever and the script didn't help either - if anything, the only reason why (to me, at least) it started to feel more real by the third movie was because we saw so much of it that we got used to how artificial it was.

Comparing that to Han and Leia, well, it's really not a contest. It amazed me how we barely got any time to see their relationship unfold on screen, and yet it felt extremely real by the end of Empire. Solo's last line on that movie is just incredible too.



1) Empire strikes back - Awesome movie, so much action. Great story, nothing to complain about 9.75/10

2) Revenge of the sith - Most action out of any movie in the series. Did a wonderful job tying over the new trilogy to the new one. 9.5/10

3) A New Hope - Started it all, great movie 8.5/10

4) Return of the Jedi- Pretty much as good as A New Hope, but I'll put it at #4. 8/10

5) Attack of the Clones - As a star wars movie it's pretty average...but it it was any other movie it would be considered a pretty darn good movie. 5/10

6) Star Wars: Pod Races...err I mean Phantom Menace. Fucking horrible movie...atrocious. No redeeming qualities whatsoever. 0/10 unwatchable.



Good:
The Empire Strikes Back

Boring:
A New Hope

Bad:
Return of the Jedi
Return of the Sith
Attack of the Clones

Terrible
Phantom Menace