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S.T.A.G.E. said:
jlmurph2 said:


Ori and the Blind Forest.


Most of those games are first party commissioned by Microsoft to third party. Sea Of Thieves and Project Spark are the truest idea of what what Microsoft can actually create because they are made by internal studios. Last I checked, Moon Studios was independent. So the majority of their IP ownership comes from third party. The one I miss the most was from last gen in Lost Odyssey. 


Ori and Quantum Break are IPs owned by Microsoft.



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jlmurph2 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Most of those games are first party commissioned by Microsoft to third party. Sea Of Thieves and Project Spark are the truest idea of what what Microsoft can actually create because they are made by internal studios. Last I checked, Moon Studios was independent. So the majority of their IP ownership comes from third party. The one I miss the most was from last gen in Lost Odyssey. 


Ori and Quantum Break are IPs owned by Microsoft.

Thats always been my point. Microsoft can own a thousand hit IPs but an extreme few will actually be made by them internally. This is my point. 



S.T.A.G.E. said:
jlmurph2 said:


Ori and Quantum Break are IPs owned by Microsoft.

Thats always been my point. Microsoft can own a thousand hit IPs but an extreme few will actually be made by them internally. This is my point. 

I'm sure MS has internal teams helping with certain games with other devs same as Sony does.

BTW what is Sony doing this year developed by only them? MLB and Uncharted Collection? Meanwhile MS has Lionhead, Turn 10, Rare, The Coalition and 343 releasing games in 2015. With Rare, The Coalition, Twisted Pixel and more releasing games next year.



jlmurph2 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
jlmurph2 said:


Ori and Quantum Break are IPs owned by Microsoft.

Thats always been my point. Microsoft can own a thousand hit IPs but an extreme few will actually be made by them internally. This is my point. 

I'm sure MS has internal teams helping with certain games with other devs same as Sony does.

BTW what is Sony doing this year developed by only them? MLB and Uncharted Collection? Meanwhile MS has Lionhead, Turn 10, Rare, The Coalition and 343 releasing games in 2015. With Rare, The Coalition, Twisted Pixel and more releasing games next year.


I'm talking about internal studios for first party that make new IP's....you're saying Microsoft can develop new IP's just like Sony, yet ....well...literally...just lol.  Ok...i'll give this a shot..

Ok...fine...i'll give you a chance. 

I'm going to need to make some tea for this. :)

Show me Microsofts teams that can make new IP's on par with Sony...

Microsoft's most popular teams are sequel teams...not new IP teams.. Its going to be 3rd parties making their most notable new IP's and it will be 343 and the coalition following up with Halo and Gears sequels. Microsofts best bet in terms of first party is Remedy. I move that they buy the company and hopefully dont kill off their creativity.

Nintendo and Sony are the only first party who have proven they have the prowess to develop new ground breaking content internally without buying other peoples IP's. Not saying I don't like whats coming for Microsoft, but i'm just saying its the truth and it will hurt the longevity of their development schedule.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
jlmurph2 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Thats always been my point. Microsoft can own a thousand hit IPs but an extreme few will actually be made by them internally. This is my point. 

I'm sure MS has internal teams helping with certain games with other devs same as Sony does.

BTW what is Sony doing this year developed by only them? MLB and Uncharted Collection? Meanwhile MS has Lionhead, Turn 10, Rare, The Coalition and 343 releasing games in 2015. With Rare, The Coalition, Twisted Pixel and more releasing games next year.


I'm talking about internal studios for first party that make new IP's....you're saying Microsoft can develop new IP's just like Sony, yet ....well...literally...just lol.  Ok...i'll give this a shot..

Ok...fine...i'll give you a chance. 

I'm going to need to make some tea for this. :)

Show me Microsofts teams that can make new IP's on par with Sony...

Microsoft's most popular teams are sequel teams...not new IP teams.. Its going to be 3rd parties making their most notable new IP's and it will be 343 and the coalition following up with Halo and Gears sequels. Microsofts best bet in terms of first party is Remedy. I move that they buy the company and hopefully dont kill off their creativity.

Nintendo and Sony are the only first party who have proven they have the prowess to develop new ground breaking content internally without buying other peoples IP's. Not saying I don't like whats coming for Microsoft, but i'm just saying its the truth and it will hurt the longevity of their development schedule.


I personally believe that MS is letting Rare, Lionhead, Twisted Pixel, Lift London and Press Play have the chance to make great new IPs. Whether they deliver I don't know yet. And its recently been reported that Black Tusk/The Coalition had the choice to make a new IP or Gears. MS isn't holding them hostage, 343 yes. Other than that I have no problem with MS owning IPs made by other devs. Plenty of publishers do it to strengthen dev schedules.



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Both Sony and MS rely heavly on 3rd party titles to carry there systems. Does it matter who makes them? In my opinion is doesnt. So what, if Epic made Gears, or Bungie made Halo, or Turn 10 (Internal Studio) made Forza, the point is there quality games. Ori and the Blind Forest is one of the best Indie games and fresh new IPs in 2015 and guess what, thats a MS game. Recore is another franchise in the making for the X1. Rare is also makeing Sea of Thieves and Remedy is making Qauntum Break. Sony Japan released Knack a game critized of its quality. Only Nintendo tend to hold up to creating the best new IPs based on reviews.

To prove your article wrong, look at whats fresh for PS4 at E3 in 2015 and compare it to XB1's 2015. Sony's best showing was by 3rd party devs, remakes and sequels. Sony had one hit with Horizon being a new IP with one of there internal studios. I dont hate either console however XB1 had as many new fresh IPs and Games coming in 2015/2016 just as PS4 does.

MS own over 22 gaming studios compared to Sony's 12 so there clearly in the works with games all over there platforms not just Xbox. 343, Turn 10, Coalition are all internal studios made from the ground up for Xbox and are dedicated in creating new experinces with there popular franchises.

Nintendo is living proof you dont need to always make new IPs when your IPs are good enough. Mario can be used in many genres just like how Halo goes from FPS to RTS to Twin Stick shooters and Forza goes from Sim Racing to Openworld Racing etc.

Timed Exclusiveness is all buisness, aslong as MS make money i dont think they care if the game ends up on other platforms after years on Xbox and the profits they would have made eg Mass Effect. Timed Exclusives is to help boost system sales and games sales and increases the image and marketing on there consoles, something TR will do when it releases. As fans it shouldnt bother us where titles go because as gamers we should be playing games not comparing games like there football stars going to other teams. If you look at the roster of games both Sony and MS tend to equal out with there own titles.

Either way id rather quality then quantity, so rushing out new IPs doesn't always mean great things. If your looking for new games then I suggest you game on Steam because that service (Based off my 10 years experience) has tons of new IPs. Nearly everyday there's heaps of new games.



jlmurph2 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


I'm talking about internal studios for first party that make new IP's....you're saying Microsoft can develop new IP's just like Sony, yet ....well...literally...just lol.  Ok...i'll give this a shot..

Ok...fine...i'll give you a chance. 

I'm going to need to make some tea for this. :)

Show me Microsofts teams that can make new IP's on par with Sony...

Microsoft's most popular teams are sequel teams...not new IP teams.. Its going to be 3rd parties making their most notable new IP's and it will be 343 and the coalition following up with Halo and Gears sequels. Microsofts best bet in terms of first party is Remedy. I move that they buy the company and hopefully dont kill off their creativity.

Nintendo and Sony are the only first party who have proven they have the prowess to develop new ground breaking content internally without buying other peoples IP's. Not saying I don't like whats coming for Microsoft, but i'm just saying its the truth and it will hurt the longevity of their development schedule.


I personally believe that MS is letting Rare, Lionhead, Twisted Pixel, Lift London and Press Play have the chance to make great new IPs. Whether they deliver I don't know yet. And its recently been reported that Black Tusk/The Coalition had the choice to make a new IP or Gears. MS isn't holding them hostage, 343 yes. Other than that I have no problem with MS owning IPs made by other devs. Plenty of publishers do it to strengthen dev schedules.


I have a hard time believing Microsoft gave coalition a choice. They needed to make Gears as good as possible and theres no proof in sight that they were onto something. Hell..they became the coalition publically after Gears was pretty much purchased and in development. Microsoft hired a bunch of laid off workers from Sony Santamonica and Irrational games and set them to task on Gears ontop of the team they already had. 



S.T.A.G.E. said:
jlmurph2 said:


I personally believe that MS is letting Rare, Lionhead, Twisted Pixel, Lift London and Press Play have the chance to make great new IPs. Whether they deliver I don't know yet. And its recently been reported that Black Tusk/The Coalition had the choice to make a new IP or Gears. MS isn't holding them hostage, 343 yes. Other than that I have no problem with MS owning IPs made by other devs. Plenty of publishers do it to strengthen dev schedules.


I have a hard time believing Microsoft gave coalition a choice. They needed to make Gears as good as possible and theres no proof in sight that they were onto something. Hell..they became the coalition publically after Gears was pretty much purchased and in development. Microsoft hired a bunch of laid off workers from Sony Santamonica and Irrational games and set them to task on Gears ontop of the team they already had. 

Bunch of Irrational and Santa Monica devs? What's the headcount? I like this sly dig that doesn't have anything to do with your first 2 sentences or conversation

The best labor they got were from ex-Epic folks. The ones that worked on Gears before and UE4.

Gears was not in development, Epic didn't have a plan for Gears at the time of purchase.



Why does it matter who the IP is coming from? If its exclusive, then its exclusive. If its good, it's good. I don't understand this nitpicking at what company is developing exclusives. Who gives a care? Microsoft has been supporting great new exclusive IP's this generation, Ori and the Blind Forest, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Scalebound, Project Spark, Ryse, ReCore, Sea of Thieves, etc...overall, MS has more exciting and original IP than Sony this Gen so far. And it doesn't matter who develops them, MS saw potential in these franchises and went with it.



Well op I couldnt care less where the IPs come from as long as I have something to play in my shiney new box. The time to worry is when the pool dries up"down the road" not now when we have great games to play