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Forums - Politics Discussion - Would you hire a transgender if you were the boss of a store?

theprof00 on 22 July 2015
fireburn95 said:
theprof00 said:

How about someone who is obese?


Well there's fat people, and disabled people. If you're thinking about efficiency, you probably wouldn't hire either.

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If it came down to 5 equally qualified people, 4 of them were normal sized and a mixture of athletic, and one was obese, then i'd choose one of the 4 out of personal preference, because odds would suggest the fat person is more likely to take days off.

When it comes to work, people have to change themselves a lot of the time for the work, so if the general consensus is people aren't hiring obese people, then a person should try there hardest to lose weight or they are essentially forced to change their career path because it is a competitive jobs market.

how about religion?



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contestgamer on 22 July 2015

No. I know a store owner in NY who had his store burned down after hiring a trans.



Teeqoz on 22 July 2015
ReimTime said:
Teeqoz said:
ReimTime said:

Welllllllllllllll yes it's still discrimination (exclusion based on personal preference) because that is the definition:

"Discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit."

In relation to how I said I would hire based solely on capability etc, being a customer when I go into a store/restaraunt etc I judge based on service, not race/gender etc.


Then, by the way he explained it, it wouldn't be descrimination. He would be declining to hire that person because he thinks it might hurt his business, not because of that persons gender, group, class or "category". He might be wrong in his assumption that it would hurt business, but it wouldn't be discrimination, by the very definition you provided.

 

As for me, I'd hire her/him, but I would keep a close track of business, and if I saw signs of the business doing worse after she/he started, I do my best to move her/him to a less visible position, because after all, I'd want my business to thrive.

He thinks it might hurt his business because of the person's gender/group/class/category which is the entire basis for the declination. 6 of one, a half dozen the other.


Once again, the reason he is treating the person differently is not because of the person's gender/group/class/category. It is because he thinks it might hurt business. Even though the reason he thinks that it might hurt business is the person's gender/group/class/category, he wouldn't decline if he thought it would have no effect on sales. So he isn't doing it based on gender, he is doing it based on what effect it will have on sales, which is the reason you hire any person. You hire the one you think will be best for your business.



Samus Aran on 22 July 2015

If me hiring a transgender would piss off some customers who are bigots I'd definitely hire her/him. Not to make a political point, but to piss off people.

I like pissing off people...

And I have nothing against transgenders... I wouldn't date one if they told me they're transgender though, but I'd be polite about it. I'm very open-minded, but I'd feel uncomfortable dating a girl who used to be a guy.



alabtrosMyster on 22 July 2015

Not if I was running a Hooters!

Mind you, I find Hooters pretty boring as a place... It really depends on the actual person (like any candidate for any job).

So why even ask if you are not bringing in a resume and do not let us meet with the actual person, maybe this specific transgender has a personallity problem? Otherwise, how does it even matter to the business owner what their employees do on their own time? (as long as it does not cause problems with the job performance).



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NiKKoM on 22 July 2015

In my defence when i was in Thailand: Its really hard to see if its a ladyboy...



 

Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!) 

Aeolus451 on 22 July 2015
ganoncrotch said:
Aeolus451 said:

Yes, it's a can of worms. The bolded part is not true. A transexual is a person who is not happy with the gender they were born with and they are actively trying to emulate or become the other gender.  

It's important in a employer to employee relationship to be polite with a transexual employee or applicant (with any employee). You should refer to them as the gender they identify with and to use their prefered name instead of the given one. It's rude to them if you don't. 


You can be dismissed from an Interview for having a number of buttons done up on your jacket that the interviewer doesn't like, Don't imagine that if there is 500 applicants for a position that the Interviewer is going to be kind and nice to every single person they know are not the one of the job. They get paid for the most part to fill a position not by how much time they spend on each interview which is a dead duck.

Like I said I wouldn't expect any interviewer to entertain the thought that someone who has had drastically poor work/makeup done to alter gender should be put higher up on the pile than a woman who was born with a face not made for receptionist work due to trying to be PC, that is just wrong. I'm not saying that the fact that they are transgendered should have any negative points against a person getting a job, but they shouldn't get any special treatment because of it either.

I was mainly talking about addressing them as a her or a him. It likely to end in a lawsuit if you keep calling a transexual a he or being rude to your employees.



pokeclaudel on 22 July 2015

I've found that people born women and are trans-gendered simply dress like a man have no real trouble with others. It's the people born as men that find it difficult to be accepted. Transgendered men just look like a woman with short hair wearing a uniform. It's can be hard for some people to distinguish between a straight women who doesn't dress sexy, a lesbian who is a stud, and a transgender man who doesn't have facial hair.

If they look like a dude with a five o clock shadow wearing a wig then it depends on where I need help. If I needed someone to work up front and attract people or deal directly with customers then no. But if I needed someone to work in the back doing stock then yeah. And if we're talking about upper management (not directly in the store) then it wouldn't matter to me at all. Moderately attractive people have always been out on the sales floor.

Of course the folk who have been transgendered women since their teens and have taken hormones since their teens usually look like the women so I'd have no issue with them for an up front position.



Sharpryno on 22 July 2015

If it was not obvious and they were qualified of course, sure.

but business comes before anything else and there are too many people that would be disgusted by it and I have more pressing, personal matters than trying to change everyone's opinions on transgender people as a whole.



Bofferbrauer on 22 July 2015

If the person is qualified for the job, I don't see why not