Jimbo1337 said:
China will only give up one-way free trade when they are coerced into doing so. They are making far too much money to ever give up this sweet racket voluntarily. So you have to take an aggressive stance and just do a 25% tariff to make them change.
Side Note: The American current budget fight and our mounting national debt are linked to trade. America is losing about $600 billion dollars, with a "B", a year in trade deficit.
Your only mention of why this tariff is bad is because this will create a "trade war". You know what's funny about the concept of a trade war? There is no actual historical precedent! In fact, there has never been a significat trade war. So your argument of why Donald Trump's idea is "retarded" is based off of nothing but you spouting nonesense. So Trump's idea is a good one because it is an agressive stance that will cause China to change their ways. I welcome you to go find another "trade war" to back up your "retarded" claim.
Since you are not running for president, then please provide me with the president that you would vote for and the exact stance they they have on this given issue.
Uh huh, and like just 10 minutes ago I just mentioned that this is bad for the American economy. What is so hard to understand about that? American car company built in Mexico. Mexico GOOOD, America BADDD. Get it?
Again, please provide another president that you would vote for that addresses the Mexico-USA border and their exact stance on the issue.
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China will only give up one-way free trade when they are coerced into doing so. They are making far too much money to ever give up this sweet racket voluntarily. So you have to take an aggressive stance and just do a 25% tariff to make them change.
Your only mention of why this tariff is bad is because this will create a "trade war". You know what's funny about the concept of a trade war? There is no actual historical precedent! In fact, there has never been a significat trade war. So your argument of why Donald Trump's idea is "retarded" is based off of nothing but you spouting nonesense. So Trump's idea is a good one because it is an agressive stance that will cause China to change their ways. I welcome you to go find another "trade war" to back up your "retarded" claim.
Actually, trade has been a HUGE factor in many world conflicts. For example... ummmmmm... I don't know... The American Revolution. What was that about? Taxes. Britain taxed tea, americans boycotted etc. The war of 1812 was about harbor usage issues. The war of 1967 in the Middle East started over disputes over canals. Then there were the opium wars in china, the conflict in Palestine,
If you want a purely economic one based on Tariffs, you could look at the Smoot Hawley act enacted during the great depression. This tariff on foreign goods caused an incredibly steep decline in US Exports and greatly damaged US relations with other nations. It's debated how damaging this was, but you'd be hard pressed to find any economist who suggests this was a good move.
. Russia and Khazakstan had their own little trade war. Hell, Russia is in a trade war with like everyone. Ukraine taxes Russian automobiles, Russia taxes chocolates etc.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/us-eu-russia-wto-trade-war-109810.html
There is a precedent for this BETWEEN THE US AND CHINA. In 2009 US put taxes on Chinese tired, and they responded with tariffs on chicken and automobiles.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/business/global/14trade.html?_r=0
Countries trade tariffs to apply pressure on each other all the time. There are tons of precedents for this.
Since you are not running for president, then please provide me with the president that you would vote for and the exact stance they they have on this given issue.
Apparently you missed the point with the honey dick analogy so lets try another one. You and me are hanging out. I don't know why, but we are. You ask me what I want to do. I say "I don't know". You say, "hey let's call Jaleel White and take turns fucking him". And when I say, "No, I do not want to fuck Urkle", you say "well then please provide me with another idea."
Your argument is retarded (no quotes for me), and it will be retarded no matter how many times you try to repackage it it will still be retarded. I'll put this in bold for your benefit.
If an idea is bad, it is bad. It has nothing to do with any other alternatives. Fucking Jaleel White with a honey covered dick is not a good idea. I don't need any other ideas to judge this one. Stupid is as stupid does.
Uh huh, and like just 10 minutes ago I just mentioned that this is bad for the American economy. What is so hard to understand about that? American car company built in Mexico. Mexico GOOOD, America BADDD. Get it?
Now you're just lying.
"Now you have companies cutting back in China and heading over to Mexico to manufacture an array of products. Not to mention that you have top American companies, like Ford (2.5 billion dollar plants), investing in Mexico as well. Then they will have to build this giant wall. Sounds like a lot of new job creation in Mexico if you ask me."
You brought this up to show that Donald Trump's plan for Mexico made sense. Then when I brought up that it conflicted with other policies, you tried to spin it off to a totally unrelated topic. Your original argument was not "manufacturing in other countries is bad". And even if it were, that would be completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, so I'm not sure why you would have brought it up.
Again, please provide another president that you would vote for that addresses the Mexico-USA border and their exact stance on the issue.
And again this argument is retarded. Whether or not this is a good idea has nothing to do with what other ideas are out there. If it's a stupid idea, it's a stupid idea. Before we compare it to other alternatives, we need to evaluate if the plan itself is helpful or harmful. You only need to compare ideas if you have two ideas that each might be beneficial. But, if one idea is stupid, you don't have to bother going through that whole process, cause it's a stupid thing to do, and you shouldn't do it in any scenario.
Sticking your honey covered dick (that was just in Jaleel white) into an electrical socket is a bad idea. I don't need to present another option to you, because it's clear that the idea is bad. We judge ideas based on its own merit. If it's not a stupid idea, show that it's not a stupid idea.