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Goku Vs Superman 2 - Death Battle!

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Do you agree with the results.

Yes. I feel sorry for Goku. 101 100.00%
 
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I don't know much about Silver age Superman, but he would be able to defeat Goku from what little I know of him. Modern Superman though, would be no match for Goku or even Krillin xD



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For me, what Whiz and BoomStick have stated are correct. Think about it for a second;

One man has the power to break any limit

One has no limits to begin with


Only one has limits to give it their all. That really has been the focal point of this debate long before Death Battle ever answered the question. Even now, there really shouldn't be any change. I am a fan of both, but for the DragonBall Z fans, much akin to what BoomStick asked, I will ask you this myself;


Would you really want a Goku who has reached a point where he is unbeatable?



" It has never been about acknowledgement when you achieve something. When you are acknowledged, then and only then can you achieve something. Always have your friends first to achieve your goals later." - OnlyForDisplay

OnlyForDisplay said:
For me, what Whiz and BoomStick have stated are correct. Think about it for a second;

One man has the power to break any limit

One has no limits to begin with


Only one has limits to give it their all. That really has been the focal point of this debate long before Death Battle ever answered the question. Even now, there really shouldn't be any change. I am a fan of both, but for the DragonBall Z fans, much akin to what BoomStick asked, I will ask you this myself;


Would you really want a Goku who has reached a point where he is unbeatable?


The problem is that many of the things that were stated in the video as ''superman facts'' are not true.

The book of infinity pages does not actually have infinity weight.
Spectre is just heavy, but in no way it has inifity weight either. That was just an philosophical statement from about being an eternal being.

Another problem is that people mix his insane power with his resistance.
Superman does not survive supernovas, he runs from it and is hitted only by the shockwaves. That is actuallys stated by the narrator, who says that if caught, he would have died.
He does not withstand the pull of a black hole. Despite the anomaly being pointed as such, it was too close to earth to not destroy it while super was going there with brainiac. Brainiac lgs and arms also do not behave as they would in a black hole.

Despite his strength he is, constantly i may add, knocked unconscious by anything of planetary level (capable of destroying a earth sized planet). If super wins, what is definitely possible, it won't be by ignoring Goku punches and tanking a full charged kamehameha.



vkaraujo said:
OnlyForDisplay said:
For me, what Whiz and BoomStick have stated are correct. Think about it for a second;

One man has the power to break any limit

One has no limits to begin with


Only one has limits to give it their all. That really has been the focal point of this debate long before Death Battle ever answered the question. Even now, there really shouldn't be any change. I am a fan of both, but for the DragonBall Z fans, much akin to what BoomStick asked, I will ask you this myself;


Would you really want a Goku who has reached a point where he is unbeatable?


The problem is that many of the things that were stated in the video as ''superman facts'' are not true.

The book of infinity pages does not actually have infinity weight.
Spectre is just heavy, but in no way it has inifity weight either. That was just an philosophical statement from about being an eternal being.
 

Another problem is that people mix his insane power with his resistance.
Superman does not survive supernovas, he runs from it and is hitted only by the shockwaves. That is actuallys stated by the narrator, who says that if caught, he would have died.
He does not withstand the pull of a black hole. Despite the anomaly being pointed as such, it was too close to earth to not destroy it while super was going there with brainiac. Brainiac lgs and arms also do not behave as they would in a black hole.

Despite his strength he is, constantly i may add, knocked unconscious by anything of planetary level (capable of destroying a earth sized planet). If super wins, what is definitely possible, it won't be by ignoring Goku punches and tanking a full charged kamehameha.


Since time is, as far as we know, infinite...why wouldn't a book that holds every single page of every book ever written...be infinite in weight? As it also stands, from what you said, he did lift a book that should be greater in weight than a planet. 

Goku dropped from the skies with 40 tones attached to him. Well now...

 

Love the nitpicking. Let's keep at it :D. 



JinxRake said:

Since time is, as far as we know, infinite...why wouldn't a book that holds every single page of every book ever written...be infinite in weight? As it also stands, from what you said, he did lift a book that should be greater in weight than a planet. 

Goku dropped from the skies with 40 tones attached to him. Well now...

 

Love the nitpicking. Let's keep at it :D. 

I don´t see it as nitpicking. I love both characters and i am a fan of death battle, i just want the outcome to be true. Super getting beated by Batman will annoy me way more when the move releases.

About the book, it is open to some interpretation, no doubt. But the by the letter would be the book having all the books written in the time spam of that universe, and another 52 multiverses that coexists with that one. Which does mean an incridible amount of weight, most likely more than 1 planet, but not ALL the weight, as Death Battle made it look like.

Also Shazam was there, and Death Battle said that he didn´t need to. That´s absurd, as Shazam is many times showed to be just as strong as superman. When they did an arm wrestling (i believe that´s the name) they remained in a tie for hours, until Mary Marvel and Marvel Jr. has to transform, which drains some of the Cap. Marvel powers. They all share the same power sorce.

Finally, Shazam states that he has a machine of some sort that can scan all info from the book, which it is why they try to carry it out the first time i believe. That also points to the book having a finite amount of weight, no matter how large.

I don´t know about the 40t rock thing, is that from the last Dragon Ball movie?



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d21lewis said:
Goku said the "instant transmission" has him moving at several thousand miles per second (I think it was 800+ thousand) on an episode of DBZ. Maybe he didn't know how fast he actually goes or maybe it was a translation error. I never thought the instant transmission was instant, though.


According to dragonball wiki it's 180,000 miles per second or 670,000,000 Mph the speed of light.



I agree with the outcome but my gripe with Supes is that his anthologies always portray/gauge his powers unevenly. If you watch the TV shows like Justice League or the Animated Series, you can see and feel Supes exerting physical efforts when he lifts a bus or a train. But then in some other stories, like Superman All-Star, he can hold 3 times the weight of the earth with a single hand and just break a single sweat.

At least in Dragon Ball it got pretty consistent on who was how strong due to chronology. A lot of the feats portrayed in the TV shows and Comic Books are peanuts for most people in the Dragon Ball universe.

It's obvious to see why people think Goku could beat Superman when most DB characters are planet busters without much effort (relatively early in the DBZ series too), but in mainstream Superman (TV shows and whatnot) you have him fighting just a bit above street level, lifting cars and smashing building.



Those saying Batman can beat Superman need to listen again to the death battle. There not picking different points in each characters time line. Batman beat Superman 1 time and he utilises his weakness to his advantage which Goku would never do which was stated in there very first match.

The death battle is about putting both characters at there full potential against each other. Batman wont beat Superman at his full potential and without the help of kyronite which later in Supermans time line actually becomes immune to it.

Again Superman has lost battles before, as I recall, Doomsday, Batman and He-man have beaten Superman, however this isn't about the past its about them at there very best which no being has beaten Superman.

Don't understand why people keep thinking otherwise that Goku would win. He doesn't have the fire power to kill Superman and even if he manage to he would end up destroying more then just the planet and killing himself in the process and that's not even a guarantee Superman would die from it.



The times that superman actually lost a fight is because he is still learning. He has no limits.



vkaraujo said:
JinxRake said:

Since time is, as far as we know, infinite...why wouldn't a book that holds every single page of every book ever written...be infinite in weight? As it also stands, from what you said, he did lift a book that should be greater in weight than a planet. 

Goku dropped from the skies with 40 tones attached to him. Well now...

 

Love the nitpicking. Let's keep at it :D. 

I don´t see it as nitpicking. I love both characters and i am a fan of death battle, i just want the outcome to be true. Super getting beated by Batman will annoy me way more when the move releases.

About the book, it is open to some interpretation, no doubt. But the by the letter would be the book having all the books written in the time spam of that universe, and another 52 multiverses that coexists with that one. Which does mean an incridible amount of weight, most likely more than 1 planet, but not ALL the weight, as Death Battle made it look like.

Also Shazam was there, and Death Battle said that he didn´t need to. That´s absurd, as Shazam is many times showed to be just as strong as superman. When they did an arm wrestling (i believe that´s the name) they remained in a tie for hours, until Mary Marvel and Marvel Jr. has to transform, which drains some of the Cap. Marvel powers. They all share the same power sorce.

Finally, Shazam states that he has a machine of some sort that can scan all info from the book, which it is why they try to carry it out the first time i believe. That also points to the book having a finite amount of weight, no matter how large.

I don´t know about the 40t rock thing, is that from the last Dragon Ball movie?


Boo Saga actually.

Before the tournament, one of the Kais puts 40t on Goku while he's in mid air and he falls like a rock from the sky, having to turn SSJ to be able to move about freely.

It's one of the finer points that DBZ fans often choose to ignore because they don't feel it fits with the character...aka "We know better than the creator" - an actual line I read on the subject -.

Same as Goku being able to move "faster than lightning" since childhood, but spending a few months on the Snake Way.

There's a lot of such little inconsistencies in the DB universe, but they're often ignored by fans because it somehow doesn't fit THEIR image of Goku.