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Ruler said:
pokoko said:

What are we even looking at here?  What kind of snake?  What kind of damage?  They were in intensive care and required therapy so I'm guessing it was really bad.  Rattlesnakes can do some absolutely horrible things to human tissue.  The OP tells us nothing.

If you've got a strong stomach, go look up "rattlesnake bite" on google images.  


150k $?

Huh?  If you have a question, please frame it with words so I can understand what you're trying to ask.



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Player2 said:
JEMC said:
hatmoza said:
The Fury said:
There was a comedian once you did a joke about how it was cheaper to get a new kidney by flying to Spain, paying for the new kidney, living in Spain for 3 months during recovery and then flying back than it is to get it done in the US.


I recall reading that somewhere a couple months ago. Maybe 9gag.

And it's completely true.

That is nothing new, people have been doing that for years and they even called it "medical vacations", with people flying to countries with free health care where they caused a situation of risk and went to the hospital to get the treatment.

The funny thing is that countries wanted to make something to stop or minimize this behavior, so if someone comes now to Spain (for example) and does that, the doctors will be able to see his medical record and if they find out that the patient was already diagnosed with that illness, they will take care of him/her, but once the patient is ok, Spain will charge the sum of all the treatment to your country.

I can't imagine a coward like Rajoy saying "hey Obama, you owe me this", though.

I think the deal is older than both Rajoy and Obama (as presidents, of course) so there's no problem.



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I don't understand how any American(US) can support your healthcare system... its plain and simple f*cked up.



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It's probably cheaper to fly to Cuba, get medical treatment and get back.



I thought Obama-care was suppose to solve this type of problem? Then again here in the Philippines you would probably be dead because most hospitals doesn't have anti venom. :/



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While I don't think anything can justify America's healthcare system, there is definitely some information left out...

Wait, a second, did you say this was just a rattlesnake? I thought it might have been an exotic snake that they had to specially milk venom from, because they didn't have any antivenin on reserve or something.

But, uh, what?

Okay, I actually can explain the reasoning partially for the exorbitant prices on these treatments. If you have no health insurance, or poor coverage, you lack the bargaining power to effectively lower the costs of the treatment. Since healthcare coverage is essentially a life or death scenario, you, as the patient, have no power to refuse treatment. From a micro-economics standpoint, your demand is essentially infinite, so you're willing to settle for any cost. So, this effectively gives the health industry near unlimited power to jack up the prices to absurd levels. This is, apparently, most egregious in pharmaceuticals, where there's essentially a price czar that determines an exorbitant price for new drugs, and those drugs are only ever lowered by an intermediary such as an insurance agency or the government.

Basically, unless there is an external intermediary with a lot of bargaining power, health care costs will be exorbitant.



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Healthcare costs are largely arbitrary.



wow, he/she got drugs for $83k within just 6 days? damn son

approved by the "greatest president ever":



Im glad our health care system isnt like that.
With prices like that, you wouldnt want to visit a hospital at all, unless you where in a state where you would die if you didnt.

Its wrong, theres just no way to justify this.



patronmacabre said:

While I don't think anything can justify America's healthcare system, there is definitely some information left out...

Wait, a second, did you say this was just a rattlesnake? I thought it might have been an exotic snake that they had to specially milk venom from, because they didn't have any antivenin on reserve or something.

But, uh, what?

You do not want to get bitten by a rattlesnake.  Excruciating pain aside, rattlesnake venom can cause extensive tissue damage, as the flesh is basically being disolved, nerve damage, heart failure, uncontrolled internal bleeding and hemorrhaging, and organ failure.  Hemotoxin is bad, bad stuff.  It kills a lot slower than neurotoxin, if at all, but it can mess you up badly even with antivenin.  Sometimes amputation is necessary.

Besides potentially requiring a dozen or more doses of expensive antivenin, surgical procedures and an extended hospital stay are often required, not to mention all the pain killers and antibiotics.

As far as the total cost being so high, I actually spoke with a doctor about this last week.  He said it's because so many people don't have insurance, and thus do not visit the doctor until too late.  What could have been provented with a simple procedure to remove a growth instead becomes an expensive battle against full-blown cancer.  That leaves astronomical medical bills which are usually never paid, which in turn drives up the total cost across the board.  That's basically health care in the United States.