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Who wins?

Superman 20 16.81%
 
Doctor Manhattan 89 74.79%
 
Draw 2 1.68%
 
They kill each other 6 5.04%
 
DC wins 2 1.68%
 
Total:119
aceburg0413 said:
Squirrel Girl takes them both down instantly... off screen of course, anything else would be uncivilized.

dood, dont even go there... 



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ils411 said:
aceburg0413 said:
Squirrel Girl takes them both down instantly... off screen of course, anything else would be uncivilized.

dood, dont even go there... 


Aw, you're no fun...



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SuaveSocialist said:
This one's going to Superman. Doctor Manhattan has a very impressive power set, but his feats are quite small and his potential/limitations undefined.

Superman tanked a supernova and survived a black hole; the Doctor has never demonstrated destructive capacity anywhere near that scale. Though the Doctor has managed to piece himself back together after being blasted into atoms, the Infinite Mass Punch would reduce the Doctor's quantum state to even more basic components of matter (see: What if Superman Punched You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fL8zopddI).

If the Doctor could pull himself back together after that, Superman still has Phantom Zone technology and the means to warp the space-time continuum just by rubbing his hands together and using static electricity. And since the Doc was so decisively outsmarted by a mere human--to such an extent where his ability to "see time" became unreliable--Superman's intelligence and speed are arguably high enough to do the same.

1) I like the way you want to use that which is not known about the powers of Doctor Manhattan only against him, when they could also be used in his favor.

2) Batman escaped a Black Hole, never it says that he survived a Singularity, but escaped from it. He would become toothpaste of subatomic particles if he would be swallowed by a Black Hole.

There is no precedent of Superman surviving being torn apart into molecular or atomic level and surviving and retaining his identity. While on the other hand there is a precedent for Doctor Manhattan when he retained consciousness and powers even when turned into pieces.

Doctor Manhattan will simply do this to Superman and bye bye Superman:

3) If you are going to give Superman previous knowledge of his enemy's weaknesses, the same should be allowed for Doctor Mahattan.

4) Doctor Mahattan can manipulate matter. Like mornelithe said:

mornelithe said:

We know he can control matter, at will, The Comedian says this to him just after he shot that pregnant Vietnamese woman in the bar in Vietnam.  He literally says he could've turned the gun into flowers. 

Doctor Manhattan could surround himself, or convert the air around Superman into kryptonite in any moment. Kryptonite is matter and Dr can manipulate and convert it at will. He could even turn his body into kryptonite and make Superman pay for even touching him.

5) You try to use the fact that a brilliant human like Ozymandias used a technique to try and nullify one of Dr. Manhattan's powers and make his plan work (just to nullity one of his powers, Ozumandias ran like a little bitch when Doctor Manhattan faced him later face to face), but then you don't mention the fact that someone as powerful as Superman was DEFEATED by a simple human: Batman who used different techniques to nullify Superman's powers using "matter" that Doctor Manhattan could easily manipulates at will. We are not talking about outsmarting here, we are talking about Superman having been defeated by a human.

Batman who even got his ass kicked by Spawn:

"Knock it off, Batman. I am not in the mood.. And I don't have the time." lol

Doctor Manhatta wins.

The_Sony_Girl1 said:
SuaveSocialist said:
This one's going to Superman. Doctor Manhattan has a very impressive power set, but his feats are quite small and his potential/limitations undefined.

Superman tanked a supernova and survived a black hole; the Doctor has never demonstrated destructive capacity anywhere near that scale. Though the Doctor has managed to piece himself back together after being blasted into atoms, the Infinite Mass Punch would reduce the Doctor's quantum state to even more basic components of matter (see: What if Superman Punched You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fL8zopddI).

If the Doctor could pull himself back together after that, Superman still has Phantom Zone technology and the means to warp the space-time continuum just by rubbing his hands together and using static electricity. And since the Doc was so decisively outsmarted by a mere human--to such an extent where his ability to "see time" became unreliable--Superman's intelligence and speed are arguably high enough to do the same.

This! Thank you for explaining it for me!

Nope.

spurgeonryan said:
batgod said:

a fight between superman prime an doc Manhattan would have been better


From what everyone is saying, even a Superman Prime would just disinegrate. I actually think whoever made Doctor Manhattan just coped out. "Ummmm....I cannot think of anything special, so my Superhero will actually be Jesus Christ, but I'll change his name to Doctor Manhattan."

 

Where does this Doctor Manhattan come from that he can do all of this stuff? Sounds like rubbish. Batman could probably take him out.

Doctor Mahattan is an incredible character made for a very smart graphic novel. Watchmen is not about the lives of it's characters. The superheroes lives in Watchmen are in a second place in comparison to the themes that are brought up in the story that take the main stage.

Watchmen is a story about impotence, an impotence that even a powerful character like Doctor Manhattan find himself unable to help humanity survive itself because it is in their nature to kill each other.

Doctor Mahattan is an interesting character that struggles with his apathy towards the human race as he becomes able to look at things from a higher perspective where he sees the beauty even in unanimated matter and still tries to adhere to his humanity, only to find out that in order to save humanity he needs to allow millions of humans to die.



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In real life, Superman would be immortal. There would BE no kryptonite so, nothing would be able to beat him.



AlfredoTurkey said:
In real life, Superman would be immortal. There would BE no kryptonite so, nothing would be able to beat him.

In real life matter cannot go faster than the speed of light. The Universe may be expanding faster than the speed of light but nothing can move faster than the speed of light.

The tachyons that concidentially make Doctor Manhattan unable to see his future are theoretical at this point. Their existence has not been proven.

The fact is that Superman in real life would have a lot of his powers stripped off him and most likely his real version would end up getting his ass kicked even by Ronda Rousey.



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AbbathTheGrim said:
SuaveSocialist said:
This one's going to Superman. Doctor Manhattan has a very impressive power set, but his feats are quite small and his potential/limitations undefined.

Superman tanked a supernova and survived a black hole; the Doctor has never demonstrated destructive capacity anywhere near that scale. Though the Doctor has managed to piece himself back together after being blasted into atoms, the Infinite Mass Punch would reduce the Doctor's quantum state to even more basic components of matter (see: What if Superman Punched You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fL8zopddI).

If the Doctor could pull himself back together after that, Superman still has Phantom Zone technology and the means to warp the space-time continuum just by rubbing his hands together and using static electricity. And since the Doc was so decisively outsmarted by a mere human--to such an extent where his ability to "see time" became unreliable--Superman's intelligence and speed are arguably high enough to do the same.

1) I like the way you want to use that which is not known about the powers of Doctor Manhattan only against him, when they could also be used in his favor.

2) Batman escaped a Black Hole, never it says that he survived a Singularity, but escaped from it. He would become toothpaste of subatomic particles if he would be swallowed by a Black Hole.

There is no precedent of Superman surviving being torn apart into molecular or atomic level and surviving and retaining his identity. While on the other hand there is a precedent for Doctor Manhattan when he retained consciousness and powers even when turned into pieces.

Doctor Manhattan will simply do this to Superman and bye bye Superman:

3) If you are going to give Superman previous knowledge of his enemy's weaknesses, the same should be allowed for Doctor Mahattan.

4) Doctor Mahattan can manipulate matter. Like mornelithe said:

We know he can control matter, at will, The Comedian says this to him just after he shot that pregnant Vietnamese woman in the bar in Vietnam.  He literally says he could've turned the gun into flowers. 

Doctor Manhattan could surround himself, or convert the air around Superman into kryptonite in any moment. Kryptonite is matter and Dr can manipulate and convert it at will. He could even turn his body into kryptonite and make Superman pay for even touching him.

5) You try to use the fact that a brilliant human like Ozymandias used a technique to try and nullify one of Dr. Manhattan's powers and make his plan work (just to nullity one of his powers, Ozumandias ran like a little bitch when Doctor Manhattan faced him later face to face), but then you don't mention the fact that someone as powerful as Superman was DEFEATED by a simple human: Batman who used different techniques to nullify Superman's powers using "matter" that Doctor Manhattan could easily manipulates at will. We are not talking about outsmarting here, we are talking about Superman having been defeated by a human.

Doctor Manhatta wins.

1. Nope. It is irrational to assume that Doc's abilities are greater than they have been shown to be.

2. Doc has only reconstructed himself from being torn into atoms.  He has never reconstructed himself from having his atoms torn apart.  There is a precedent for Superman tanking that which should tear someone's atoms apart.  There is no such precedent for Doc.

Doc would wave his hand and nothing would happen.  Superhuman durability: Superman has it.

3. I'm not giving Superman any prior knowledge.  Superman only knows what he canonically knows and same goes for Doc.

4. Kryptonite does not exist in Watchmen canon; Doc has no idea what it is or does.  

5. Superman never had a single canonical fight to which he lost against Batman.

Nice try, though.  Next time, show us something that Doc has actually done which compares to Superman's feats.  Doc waves his hand.  Nothing happens.  Superman punches Doc into quarks---Doc has only reconstructed himself from atoms.

Superman wins.



SuaveSocialist said:

1. Nope. It is irrational to assume that Doc's abilities are greater than they have been shown to be.

2. Doc would wave his hand and nothing would happen.  Superhuman durability: Superman has it.

3. I'm not giving Superman any prior knowledge.  Superman only knows what he canonically knows and same goes for Doc.

4. Kryptonite does not exist in Watchmen canon; Doc has no idea what it is or does.  

5. Superman never had a single canonical fight to which he lost against Batman.

Nice try, though.  Next time, show us something that Doc has actually done which compares to Superman's feats.  Doc waves his hand.  Nothing happens.  Superman punches Doc into quarks---Doc has only reconstructed himself from atoms.

Superman wins.

1) You don't assume against or in favor then no problem.

2) You cannot assume Doctor Manhattan can't separate Superman's atoms. Doctor Manhattan manipulates matter, Doctor Manhattan moves his hands and someone needs to go for a broom to give Superman a proper burial.

3) If no one has prior knowledge then Superman can't know about tachyons. Doctor Manhattan will know every single movement Superman will make because Doctor Manhattan can see his own future. Everything Superman tries is futile.

4) Superman doesn't exist in Doctor Manhattan's cannon, neither does Dr. Manhattan in Superman's. That's a weak card from you. Dr. Manhattan will turn Superman into pieces as he controls all matter so kryptonite is not even necessary. It was all about you using prior knowledge.

5) You say those fights don't count because they aren't cannon? I say they count. You are in no better position than mine to say what counts and what doesn't. You can say that Superman has been defeated by a human, there is no way you can say that Doctor Manhattan has been defeated by a human.

Doctor Manhatta wins.



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AbbathTheGrim said:
SuaveSocialist said:

1. Nope. It is irrational to assume that Doc's abilities are greater than they have been shown to be.

2. Doc would wave his hand and nothing would happen.  Superhuman durability: Superman has it.

3. I'm not giving Superman any prior knowledge.  Superman only knows what he canonically knows and same goes for Doc.

4. Kryptonite does not exist in Watchmen canon; Doc has no idea what it is or does.  

5. Superman never had a single canonical fight to which he lost against Batman.

Nice try, though.  Next time, show us something that Doc has actually done which compares to Superman's feats.  Doc waves his hand.  Nothing happens.  Superman punches Doc into quarks---Doc has only reconstructed himself from atoms.

Superman wins.

1) You don't assume against or in favor then no problem.

2) You cannot assume Doctor Manhattan can't separate Superman's atoms. Doctor Manhattan manipulates matter, Doctor Manhattan moves his hands and someone needs to go for a broom to give Superman a proper burial.

3) If no one has prior knowledge then Superman can't know about tachyons. Doctor Manhattan will know every single movement Superman will make because Doctor Manhattan can see his own future. Everything Superman tries is futile.

4) Superman doesn't exist in Doctor Manhattan's cannon, neither does Dr. Manhattan in Superman's. That's a weak card from you. Dr. Manhattan will turn Superman into pieces as he controls all matter so kryptonite is not even necessary. It was all about you using prior knowledge.

5) You say those fights don't count because they aren't cannon? I say they count. You are in no better position than mine to say what counts and what doesn't. You can say that Superman has been defeated by a human, there is no way you can say that Doctor Manhattan has been defeated by a human.

Doctor Manhatta wins.


1. Nope. Abilities and feats are judged at the the levels they are used.  Doc's are too weak.

2. It's not an assumption, it's the application of a power that Superman has and routinely uses to tank for more destructive attacks.  Superhuman durability.  

3. Never said he knew that.  

4. Nope. Superman tanks it.  Doc has never demonstrated anything near what Superman has dealt with before.

5. " You say those fights don't count because they aren't cannon? I say they count. "  Well, the rights holders over the franchise disagree with you, so you're wrong.

Superman wins and you've brought nothing new to the conversation.
Do better or I'm just going to ignore you.



So I've been reading a lot how Dr. Manhattan is basically indestructible but then I thought, what if Goku gathered all the dragon balls and wished that Dr. Manhattan never existed? That means technically Goku can defeat Dr. Manhattan pretty easily, wouldn't it?



SuaveSocialist said:


1. Nope. Abilities and feats are judged at the the levels they are used.  Doc's are too weak.

2. It's not an assumption, it's the application of a power that Superman has and routinely uses to tank for more destructive attacks.  Superhuman durability.  

3. Never said he knew that.  

4. Nope. Superman tanks it.  Doc has never demonstrated anything near what Superman has dealt with before.

5. " You say those fights don't count because they aren't cannon? I say they count. "  Well, the rights holders over the franchise disagree with you, so you're wrong.

Superman wins and you've brought nothing new to the conversation.
Do better or I'm just going to ignore you.

1) No Manhattan is way too powerful for Superman.

2) Superhuman durability doesn't prevent Doctor Manhattan from separating his atoms.

3) Nice. You didn't argue anything against the ability of Doctor Manhattan of knowing every move from Superman because he can know his own future. Of course, you can't argue against that, there is no argument. There is nothing that Superman can do that Doctor Manhattan can't know.

4) There is no point you bringing here for arguing. Doctor Manhattan controls all matter, that makes him incredibly powerful, even Superman is made of matter.

5) Superman has been defeated by Batman. I don't care who says those comics don't count. That was Superman getting beat by Batman.

Ignore this post if you want, I don't care, it makes no difference.



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