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Who would win: Superman Vs Dr. Manhattan

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Who wins?

Superman 20 16.81%
 
Doctor Manhattan 89 74.79%
 
Draw 2 1.68%
 
They kill each other 6 5.04%
 
DC wins 2 1.68%
 
Total:119
LMU Uncle Alfred said:
archer9234 said:
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The_Sony_Girl1 said:
You guys are seriously underestimating Superman and overestamating Dr. Manhattan.


how? I think the issue is that the lore has made Dr. Manhatten too powerful. he is indestructible. explain to me what Superman would do to defeat Dr. Manhattan. even when he was departiclized into a bunch of pieces in the Watchmen comics he simply put himself right back together. if he can break into a million parts and immediately return back to normal then there is no physical possible way Superman can damage him

 

the reality is that Dr. Manhattan is too powerful, being able to teleport, see the future/past, explode/destroy particles of anything from anywhere, has no weaknesses- it is boring to compare him with ANY superhero or supervillain because he is meant to be a 'God' figure and as such is not your regular comic character

There's a few ways to deal with Manhattan. One requires someone to kill him that isn't known to him. Like someone from another universe. Deconstruct atoms. Or burn off his particles. He doesn't really care about a lot of things. As you can see in the comic or movie. He still fucks up. A person who can see the future. Still doesn't care, and fucks up spectre's life. He's all seeing. Still does it. Which begs the qestion when he complains how he can't remeber being human. Remove your power. If you're all powerful. You can do this. Plothole land. Which can be used to exploit.

Second, go back in time and kill him before birth. Can Manhattan really scan the entire universe and keep track of everyone. At the same time. Multiple universes. Multiple time periods of each one. What about his evil version from an alt dimension. Gladly help out and kill him off. There's some options. But it's really stupid to create characters like him.

Third. Get someone that can't be killed. A real God, for example. Or someone who has very simliar powers like Myxlplyx. And lock him into a spell.

Regarding time travel, that is to say killing someone before they're born, there are two schools of thought and limited to how a writer would write it.

Maybe there can be an infinite number of you throughout space time, so killing the past version of a hero or villain wouldn't actually kill the present version, as there can always be another version of you a nano second later or earlier.  Proceeding back to a previous time in and of itself would create a different universe  and change history would it not?  Someone's mere existence traveling forwards or backwards could create a different universe from the original time.  Who's to say that universe doesn't take its own path separate from the present's?  The Dr. Manhattan or Superman of that time might as well be considered different people from their present counterparts if any tinkering happens.

 

Edit: Regarding changing history, I meant that a specific time could just trail off into another pathway and not effect the future of another universe already established.     

One version of time travel has to be picked. Either Back To The Future's way. Or parallel universes.  He could be killed via these options. I know the point of the OP is if Superman can do it alone. The answer has to be no to that. He'd need some sort of external help.



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ils411 said:
mysteryman said:
ils411 said:
Batman with his anti-Dr. Manhattan spray

Stay on-topic. Anyone vs. Batman is an even less fair fight.

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Eh... why even bother? if we're talking about powersets and not the character themselves, then theoretically, Dr. Manhattan could, would, and should win no questions asked. Superman's powerset is that of a superfast flying brick while Dr. Manhattan is that of an all powerfull being. Again, powerset vs powerset, all powerfull being would curb stomp and pimp slap a superfast flying brick all day, everyday.

But we're talking about superman. the dood has pulled out some ridiculous shit out of his ass over the course of his history such as vibrating so fast that he can phase, or resisting mater manipulation, resisting high level telephatic assault, tanking and surviving attacks that should have turned him into putty, and even tanking magical base attacks that again should have turned him to ash.

Next to batman, superman is the most craptastic walking plot divices that can pull out powers out of his ass and win the day. 

So like I said, power set vs power set, Dr. Manhattan, but in a comic book fight, Superman would probably pull out some shit that he's immune to "x" power coz..well...he's superman.

I agree. Dr. Manhattan wins hands down based on powers, but there are dodgy ways that Superman could win.



Eeehhhnnn, IF Superman were given a handicap- by which I mean, if he knew everything there was to know about Doctor Manhattan, and Doctor Manhattan knew nothing about Superman- then he might be able to find a way to win, even if that way consists of 'Use tachyons to fiddle with his time sense, then send him to the Phantom Zone.' (And we're going with the assumption that Doctor Manhattan wouldn't be capable of finding a way out of that realm/that the particles that he is composed of (or will that binds them) CAN be zapped there)

If Doctor Manhattan and Superman both knew all there was to know about each other, got to give it to Doctor Manhattan; teleport Superman into the middle of a red sun. Boom. Now, Superman HAS been able to pull through getting knocked through a red sun (in a battle with Superboy Prime,) but even if he DID get out of it without losing all his powers and being incinerated, Manhattan could just do it again and again til he can't get out. =P The only weaknesses Manhattan himself possesses have to do with slowing him down/ tricking him, as nobody's actually been able to slow him down for longer than a few minutes, let alone beat him outright.

If they BOTH went in blind, unaware of the others' abilities or weaknesses beforehand, I would either have to call it a stalemate, or a win for Manhattan, depending on the circumstances. First, Superman's usual go-to strategy (punch it really, really hard) isn't likely to work. Manhattan's brought himself back from disintegration, (even though an intrinsic field is fictional, it's usually thought to represent the various forces that holds matter together) so I don't see any level of strength or heat vision actually taking him down for good. Heck, Manhattan can exist as simultaneous copies sharing one consciousness, so even if he were vulnerable to harm, he could just keep splitting off copies.

Second, as he explained it in the film at least (can't remember if the comic syncs up) he is able to see his own personal timeline; any battle with Superman would fall under that perception. The only way to block it would be the same way it was done in the story, but that would require Superman having foreknowledge of Manhattan, which he wouldn't in this scenario. So, just like that, Manhattan's seen every move Superman would make against him, and presumably could change whatever outcome might normally occur. (At least, he seems to think he can, as despite supposed evidence of a nuclear war he was still working to try and develop the power source that would prevent it. Whether he CAN change the future, especially given he's described it more as there being no future, past or present, who knows.) Still, as he also said, he isn't omniscient, so even if he saw every move Superman would make in a fight, he wouldn't automatically know about Superman's weaknesses unless some idiot yelled out 'SUPERMAN TRY TO MAKE SURE HE DOESN"T LEARN ABOUT KRYPTONITE!"

Which brings us down to raw power, i.e. which can output the most 'oomph' which is the reason for the possible tie. The problem there is I'm not sure how Manhattan's more destructive abilities WORK. Superman can legitimately take a ridiculous amount of punishment, and so raw 'boom' might not be enough to beat him, or kill him; keeping in mind that Manhattan, as far as I know, mostly used his power on squishy humans (and a tank,) neither of which would be a good indicator as to his limits. And it's entirely possible that Manhattan HAS no real limits in terms of how much power he can put out, (in which case he could teleport Superman in the middle of nowhere space, and hit him with a gigantic death boom,) but it's pretty hard to say. Because of that uncertainty, I'd go with the tie, since even if Manhattan doesn't have enough raw power to beat Superman, Superman pretty much can't touch what Manhattan is, let alone hurt him. =P

As a side note, if Manhattan can, using his own abilities, reproduce the same intrinsic field subtraction, (which presumably causes all the atoms in a structure to lose cohesion) that initially killed him, then Superman would probably be no more resistant to it than anyone else. Hooooowever, while being killed by the instrinsic field subtrator is no GUARANTEE of developing superpowers- Manhattan being a special case- there's still an outside chance Superman (though, honestly, more likely Batman) could pull it off.



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SuaveSocialist said:
This one's going to Superman. Doctor Manhattan has a very impressive power set, but his feats are quite small and his potential/limitations undefined.

Superman tanked a supernova and survived a black hole; the Doctor has never demonstrated destructive capacity anywhere near that scale. Though the Doctor has managed to piece himself back together after being blasted into atoms, the Infinite Mass Punch would reduce the Doctor's quantum state to even more basic components of matter (see: What if Superman Punched You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fL8zopddI).

If the Doctor could pull himself back together after that, Superman still has Phantom Zone technology and the means to warp the space-time continuum just by rubbing his hands together and using static electricity. And since the Doc was so decisively outsmarted by a mere human--to such an extent where his ability to "see time" became unreliable--Superman's intelligence and speed are arguably high enough to do the same.

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d21lewis said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:

Superman has survived black holes before.

When?

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SuaveSocialist said:
This one's going to Superman. Doctor Manhattan has a very impressive power set, but his feats are quite small and his potential/limitations undefined.

Superman tanked a supernova and survived a black hole; the Doctor has never demonstrated destructive capacity anywhere near that scale. Though the Doctor has managed to piece himself back together after being blasted into atoms, the Infinite Mass Punch would reduce the Doctor's quantum state to even more basic components of matter (see: What if Superman Punched You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fL8zopddI).

If the Doctor could pull himself back together after that, Superman still has Phantom Zone technology and the means to warp the space-time continuum just by rubbing his hands together and using static electricity. And since the Doc was so decisively outsmarted by a mere human--to such an extent where his ability to "see time" became unreliable--Superman's intelligence and speed are arguably high enough to do the same.

Thank you for showing my point as to why superman is such a craptastic pice of crap character.

Warping space-time by rubbing his hands so fast and usting static electricity? hahaha! that is so rich..

I take back my previous statment of batman wining coz of his anti dr. manhattan spray

superman craptastic character>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adam west batman... and adam west batman has a spray for everything, even sharks hahahaha