I should be more specific, Batman would win because a writer made it happen. :P

And saying one reality manipulator is better than the other makes little sense. Dr Manhattan can shape reality, he doesn't do that much of it really though. Mr Myx is probably more powerful even if it's based on moving from one dimension to another but Supes can't beat him, Mr Myx isn't downright evil and is just having fun. (Right? They haven't changed that have they?).

Superman has a bio-electric field surrounding his body which protects him and anything that he is wearing and touching. Which is why even when he is moving as fast or even faster than light, the atoms which makes up his body and his armor etc, does not get shred apart.

I think these two super heros won't fight each other, they'll know there will be no victory on either side.

was wondering when someone would bring the "bio field" crap. 

I've seen someone argue that superman could stand up to thanos with infinity gauntlet once... lol that the IG wont be able to transmutate superman coz well..that mixy thing..

When you hvce some dolt arguing for superman tanking/resisting mater manipulation from a true all powerfull being with truly infinit power, then you know that superman is broken as shyet.

The character is so lame ass and craptastic that he has a uber future version that wields the last green lantern ring, can revive someone just from a little cell that has survived for centuries and is color gold for hanging out in the sun... 

anyways, superman is like goku..he gets a boost, pulls out some new crap, literally out of his ass and wins everyday all day all the time even against characters he has no busines beating..heck he'd ininity mass punch superman version the living tribunal and succeed... and thats just because... well... he's superman..

thinking about it, he's worse than batman. atleast batman thinks about crap and imposible as it may seem, comes up with a solution for everything while superman just, poof., new power out of my but yeah! i'm winning this! lame lame lame 

end of story. lets all move on coz we all kow  this. 

AbbathTheGrim said: The_Sony_Girl1 said: mornelithe said: Dr. Manhattan, theoretically could create a Black Hole inside Superman...or turn his blood into Kryptonite.  Speed doesn't matter when you can not only move instantly, but exist in multiple places at once.  There are limits to Supermans' strength, also.  Dr. Manhattan could theoretically increase his mass to much, much greater than anything Superman could move. That's the problem with this discussion, Dr. Manhattan simply isn't touchable. That's the problem. Dr. Manattan wouldn't know what Kryptonite is. And we've never seen Dr. Manhattan make a blackhole, so we can't assume he can. And I doubt that Dr. Manhattan can increase his mass to 5 Sextillion Megatons, which is a big feat for him. If Doctor Manhattan can manipulate matter he can create a Black Hole, but I don't think he could create a "little Black Hole" inside Superman. Black Holes are the result of massive stars bending space-time to ridiculous amounts by gravity, once they have fused the atoms (matter) that comprise them all the way from hydrogen to iron. No. it's the other way around. Space time is bendt to ridiculous amounts from the gravity of a black hole. Black holes aren't a result of space-time being bendt too far. This is why I don't think Doctor Manhattan can create mini-Black Holes, you see, for example, our Sun is fated to become a White Dwarf after the Sun's mass limits the fusion reaction up to oxygen, becomes a Red Giant and then ends as a White Dwarf. The mass of a star is the one that allows it to become a Black Hole and it has to be at least 5 times bigger than that of our Sun (Earth fits 1,300,000 times inside the Sun) to go Black Hole. So in order for Mr. Manhattan to create a mini-Black Hole he would need the power to manipulate space-time itself because otherwise with his power of manipulating matter he would need to create a gigantic body of mass to bend space-time for it to create a Black Hole. No he wouldn't have to be able to bend space-time. Black holes don't have to come from stars collapsing on themselves (Even though that's the only way they can naturally occur in this universe) black holes arise when the density of something becomes so big (and also gravity) that not even light can escape it. Given that Dr. Manhattan can manipulate matter, he could create a tiny point with enough density to become a black hole. If the earth was compressed to the size of a marble, it would become a black hole because it would have so high density. You don't need to have something big to have high mass. I guess Dr. Mahattan could at least grab a huge amount of atoms from neighboring parts of the Universe and turned them into iron and create a Black Hole with Superman in the middle. Superman would no longer have sunlight and he would go through the Black Hole's singularity now reduced to toothpaste. Unless you believe Mr. Christopher Nolan and as long as Superman flies very fast towards the center of the Black Hole he will be fine and will even learn about "love". What a complicated convo, Dr. Manhattan should just disperse the atoms that form Superman and get it over with. Like Augen said: Augen said: Manhattan can not be defeated by force, he could simply break down any opponent at the atomic level. This "fight" would last exactly as long as Manhattan decided it to last.

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Re-read what I said, you misunderstood it.

How can Doctor Manhattan create a "tiny spot" that fits inside a human body that has 5 times the mass of our Sun? That is nonesense for science-fiction mumbo jumbo.

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What I explained to you was that a black hole doesn't inherently need to have the mass of 5 suns. It just needs to have high enough density, aka if the mass is compressed enough. Like I said, the earth would be a black hole if compressed to the size of a marble. And the earth certainly doesn't have the mass of five suns.

It all comes down to the schwarzschild radius, which is how small the radius of an object of a certain mass would have to be to be a black hole. For the earth, it is about 0.9 centimetres. Black holes arise from density, not mass.

In a star, there are two forces working in opposite directions. gravity, pulling inwards, and electromagnetism (radiation) pushing outwards, from the core. When the "fuel" is used up, he forces pushing outwards (radiation) becomes smaller and smaller, so that the balance between gravity and electromagnetism is broken. Thus gravity pulls inwards, with no force going in the other direction, and that compresses the mass denser and denser, til it becomes a black hole. The only way this occurs naturally are when stars reach a certain mass, about 5 times that of the sun, but since he can manipulate matter, he can create a black hole of something with much less mass, say an orange, all he has to do is compress that orange a fucking lot, til it becomes so tiny it's density is that of a black hole. Or put another way, he has to shrink the orange to its scwarzschild radius. He doesn't need 5 times the mass of the sun.

Now, the orange would probably only amount to a black hole with the radius of something silly like 0.0001 nanometers, but it would still be a black hole...

More Mass = More Suck

Cosmic black holes are created after the collapse of a massive star. They are, by definition, massive. If something is massive, it has a strong gravitational field. Any planets, stars or space cows that stray too close will be sucked in, making the black hole more massive.

Micro-black holes are miniscule. They have next to no mass, exert a near-zero gravitational pull on matter, and therefore do not grow. In fact, they most likely do the opposite; they evaporate. Fast.

Even if they had the opportunity to grow, they would accrete matter so slowly that they still wouldn’t attain any measurable growth for billions and billions of years.

In a recent publication, a group of physicists decided to crunch the numbers on the likelihood of the LHC generating these vanishingly small micro-black holes, and they pretty much drew the same conclusions as CERN physicists have been saying for the last year. Any black hole generated at the LHC would pose zero threat to Earth.

http://news.discovery.com/space/the-lhc-black-hole-no-braner.htm

Hah this is funny... Those Goku fanboys just won't give it up.

I don't know about superman prime or w.e, but I don't see superman beating dr Manhattan.

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I think you need this.

By the way guys, Dr. Manhattan cannot mess with Superman atoms. Superman has dealt with things like that before.

Still, I think we can agree that there is one TRUE champion of the multiverse...

Mr. Mxyzpltk. =D