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Really? This guy thinks MORE guns is going to lower shootings? What a fucking idiot. The reason the U.S. has so many shootings is BECAUSE there are so many guns there.

Use simple logic, get rid of guns, and murder rates will drop drastically.

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ps3-sales! said:
I'm active duty military.

Only thing I'll say is the people who want all active duty on a base to be able to carry is ridiculous and ignorant.

Only specially trained who's jobs require for it should carry.

I don't want Johnny-no-striper who works dental with a history of anxiety or depression to have a gun on my base.

 Of course we don't need everyone on base open carrying. Every base has it's own form of security. Recruiting centers, on the other hand, do not. They're smack dab in the middle of civilian populations, where someone can ignore the "gun free zone" signs and walk right in and do their business. Not only is that extremely dangerous for recruiters, but it's also dangerous for applicants and other civilians that may be there as well. 





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melbye said:

It is funny how these things almost never happens in Europe, which is essentially one big gun free zone


Or Australia. or New Zealand. Or Japan. Or the UK.



daredevil.shark said:
Why not just ban guns? The policy is just a joke. It's like covering a wound with bandage without applying any medicine.

Well 1 because there are already over 400 million guns in circulation in the US. how to plan on making those disappear.

2 even ifif you somehow made hundreds of millions of guns disappear. We have a completely open and pourous southern border. How do you expect we stop the influx of weapons from this dangerous open border.

And lastly and most importantly because its an unalianable human right.



 

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RadiantDanceMachine said:
Having guns doesn't prevent drive-by shootings. For fuck's sake, you can't seriously be presenting such a flawed propaganda piece and expect not to be ridiculed for it. Either you're incompetent and fail to recognize what is trivially illogical, or you're baiting people such as myself into a political rant.

Either way, I'm outta here.

 What's your solution then? Hate to break the news to you, but here in reality, the only thing that can prevent a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Why do you think that the most dangerous places in the country are the ones that happen to also have the strictest gun laws, while the safest are the ones with the most leniant? I'm not saying we all go willy nilly wild west with guns, but creating laws that make it more difficult for people to own firearms, simply removes the guns from law abiding citizens. Words on a paper aren't going to stop criminals from being criminals.

4 Marines are going to be put in the ground in a few days, all because the liberals in this country are so damn afraid of servicemembers (men and women who are specifically trained to use them) from carrying firearms in places where they have no other form of security and are completely exposed. 




Isn't it better to try to change society and the massive social issues rather than arming the entire population? Seems like treating symptoms rather than disease to me. Everyone has a gun so everyone needs a gun because it's dangerous since everyone has guns, that's hardly master class problem solving in my opinion.



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all us-americans should have guns, preferably german made :)

that said I wouldn't ever want to live in a gun culture, I feel much safer with everybody disarmed

SocialistSlayer said:

And lastly and most importantly because its an unalianable human right.

absolutely not, gun ownership is not a human right, there is nothing about that in the human rights bill and the inclusion of sth like that would be preposterous



daredevil.shark said:
Why not just ban guns? The policy is just a joke. It's like covering a wound with bandage without applying any medicine.


It is impossible to do with the culture that America has. If the USA was split into two, it might be possible, but as it is right now it is pretty much impossible. 



 

SocialistSlayer said:
daredevil.shark said:
Why not just ban guns? The policy is just a joke. It's like covering a wound with bandage without applying any medicine.

Well 1 because there are already over 400 million guns in circulation in the US. how to plan on making those disappear.

2 even ifif you somehow made hundreds of millions of guns disappear. We have a completely open and pourous southern border. How do you expect we stop the influx of weapons from this dangerous open border.

And lastly and most importantly because its an unalianable human right.

I agreed with your post until that last bit of head-scratching rhetoric.  It's not an "unalianable human right," it's a privilege given by legislature.  It can be, and often is, taken away for justifiable reasons, which means that it is not inalienable by definition.  That is, unless you believe that convicted murderers should be allowed to own firearms.

That aside, hate guns or love guns, an outright ban would take a very long time to have an effect, and that's even assuming that we could stop contraband, which we probably can't.  It's simply not a realistic answer.

Personally, though I own rifles and shotguns, I'd love to see handguns disappear.  They aren't, though.

The most attractive solution would be to do something about gun culture in the United States but that's not going to happen, either.  It's completely ingrained in the psyche of this country, from cowboys to rappers.  From a gun violence perspective, it's probably too late for the United States.



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-CraZed- said:

The bottom line here is that the arguments against free people excercising their right to keep and bear arms is born out of unrational fear and disdain. And while you certainly cannot prevent all tragedy, you can make sure that innocent people are allowed to defend themselves and others.


For most it's not an irrational fear of guns, it's a very rational fear of other people (especially with guns).