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Jimbo1337 said:
gergroy said:
Well here is my view...

The democratic field is just sad. Nobody credible is jumping in to go against Hillary, so it is going to be Hillary. As far as what I think of Hillary... She isn't too bad. I don't like her... Nor do I dislike her... She is basically the democratic version of Mitt Romney to me.

As for the Republican field... It is mostly a mess. Some of them are absolutely horrible like Cruz and trump. Then they have a bunch of mediocre has beens. However, there are a couple I kinda like, Rubio and Christie would definitely get my support of they make it through the primary. Not too sure about Walker, but he might be ok, have to wait and see what he does... Jeb Bush is like Hillary, don't like or dislike... Another Romney...

I am curious to hear your view or anyone elses view about Hillary Cliton:

What is your view of her deleting governmental emails.  What do you think of her Clinton Foundation?


Deleting her emails is just one of those nonsense things that has been blown out of proportion because of politics.  All her relevant emails to people in government were saved on the other end as all state department emails are saved automatically.  She turned over everything relevant.  I don't get caught up in these overblown controversies so I don't care. 

As for the Clinton foundation, it does a lot of good.  Nothing but a positive there, but that is more Bills thing than Hillarys...



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teigaga said:
sundin13 said:


I half want her to win just to see if it will shut up people claiming that we live in a Patriarchy. I mean, it wont...but it would be nice.

But then again its Hillary Clinton, so no thanks...


That wouldn't actually prove much other then that the average person isn't a raging sexist, which isn't what Patriachy is about. It'd be like assuming that systematic racism isn't a problem because Obama is president. 

Essentially our systems were built on certain prejudices and the basis of those still effects society today, it shouldn't always even be drawn into negative/positive. Say for example you had a bunch of children look at two smartly dressed adults, one female, one male and you asked them who is the boss and who is the employer. If the majority presumed the male to be the boss, that would support the argument of us living in Patriachy as the children would associate the males with authority/power. It doesn't mean that Women can never be bosses or be in positions of power/authority or that they're never favoured when compared to men (say art, caregiver or organisational roles). 


The feminist definition of patriarchy is essentially the idea that the fabric of our society and the systems within it are designed in a way that represses women and boosts up men, often used synonymously with "male supremacy". We do not live in a patriarchy. Your seemingly unsourced claim, which largely plays off the reality of the world, is in no way proof that we live in a male supremacist society.



gergroy said:

Deleting her emails is just one of those nonsense things that has been blown out of proportion because of politics.  All her relevant emails to people in government were saved on the other end as all state department emails are saved automatically.  She turned over everything relevant.  I don't get caught up in these overblown controversies so I don't care. 

As for the Clinton foundation, it does a lot of good.  Nothing but a positive there, but that is more Bills thing than Hillarys...

You basically just demonstrated that you know absolutely nothing.  If this was something that is SO overblown, then why is Hillary Clinton deliberately avoiding the media and not answering any questions.  Why isn't she speaking out about it and clearing up these "overblown controversies"?

Here are just a few of Hillary's accomplishments:

1.) Using a personal email server in order to hide her activities and not be held accountable for her actions.  This is illegal under the Freedom of Information Act.

2.) Hillary is also being bought by not only foreign governments such as Saudi Arabia, but major corporations as well.  It is now a fact that Saudi Arabia has beheaded more people than ISIS this year.  This is a gross violation of human rights but it was not mentioned even once by the US mainstream media.  She aso received from Saudi Arabia $500k worth of jewelry. So she's obviously being bribed.  

3.)  Just look at Algeria giving the Clinton foundation Half a billion dollars for earthquake relief in Haiti.  Why didn't Algeria just give it straight to Haiti instead of going through the Clinton Foundation?  So now the Clinton Foundation is acknowledging that this 2010 $500 million dollar 'donation' broke the Obama Administration agreement.

So please, go vote for the lying scumbag that is Hillary Clinton.  Please, go vote for someone who said this about the Benghazi attacks:

Clinton: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they'd they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?



In the end it's going to be bush vs clinton



Bet reminder: I bet with Tboned51 that Splatoon won't reach the 1 million shipped mark by the end of 2015. I win if he loses and I lose if I lost.

Definitely the worst pool of candidates in a long time. Absolute unqualified shady extremist crap. The republicans are the worst pool ever and the democrats are close to the worst ever. I pray we get a better candidate to join or that a strong 3rd party libertarian finally get a a good chance at winning the general. Otherwise we're going to have a shit four years.



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gergroy said:
Jimbo1337 said:

I am curious to hear your view or anyone elses view about Hillary Cliton:

What is your view of her deleting governmental emails.  What do you think of her Clinton Foundation?


Deleting her emails is just one of those nonsense things that has been blown out of proportion because of politics.  All her relevant emails to people in government were saved on the other end as all state department emails are saved automatically.  She turned over everything relevant.  I don't get caught up in these overblown controversies so I don't care. 

As for the Clinton foundation, it does a lot of good.  Nothing but a positive there, but that is more Bills thing than Hillarys...

so deleting emails, after being supoenaed is fine. lying and covering up is fine, breaking the law is fine. and you are just going to trust she turned over everthing relevent, scouts honor



 

SocialistSlayer said:
gergroy said:


Deleting her emails is just one of those nonsense things that has been blown out of proportion because of politics.  All her relevant emails to people in government were saved on the other end as all state department emails are saved automatically.  She turned over everything relevant.  I don't get caught up in these overblown controversies so I don't care. 

As for the Clinton foundation, it does a lot of good.  Nothing but a positive there, but that is more Bills thing than Hillarys...

so deleting emails, after being supoenaed is fine. lying and covering up is fine, breaking the law is fine. and you are just going to trust she turned over everthing relevent, scouts honor


She didn't delete emails after she was subpoenaed, she had deleted then we'll before then.  You guys are just buying into the politicized story.



Jimbo1337 said:
gergroy said:

Deleting her emails is just one of those nonsense things that has been blown out of proportion because of politics.  All her relevant emails to people in government were saved on the other end as all state department emails are saved automatically.  She turned over everything relevant.  I don't get caught up in these overblown controversies so I don't care. 

As for the Clinton foundation, it does a lot of good.  Nothing but a positive there, but that is more Bills thing than Hillarys...

You basically just demonstrated that you know absolutely nothing.  If this was something that is SO overblown, then why is Hillary Clinton deliberately avoiding the media and not answering any questions.  Why isn't she speaking out about it and clearing up these "overblown controversies"?

Here are just a few of Hillary's accomplishments:

1.) Using a personal email server in order to hide her activities and not be held accountable for her actions.  This is illegal under the Freedom of Information Act.

2.) Hillary is also being bought by not only foreign governments such as Saudi Arabia, but major corporations as well.  It is now a fact that Saudi Arabia has beheaded more people than ISIS this year.  This is a gross violation of human rights but it was not mentioned even once by the US mainstream media.  She aso received from Saudi Arabia $500k worth of jewelry. So she's obviously being bribed.  

3.)  Just look at Algeria giving the Clinton foundation Half a billion dollars for earthquake relief in Haiti.  Why didn't Algeria just give it straight to Haiti instead of going through the Clinton Foundation?  So now the Clinton Foundation is acknowledging that this 2010 $500 million dollar 'donation' broke the Obama Administration agreement.

So please, go vote for the lying scumbag that is Hillary Clinton.  Please, go vote for someone who said this about the Benghazi attacks:

Clinton: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they'd they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?


Lol, the only thing this tells me is you have listened to one side of a very politicized story and completely ignored the other side.  This is the problem with politics in America.  A lot of People only have the ability to listen to one side.  Then you get all these "controversies" that aren't actually controversies thrown around and people just buy right into them.

 

honestly, I'm not a fan of Hillary as I said in my original statement, but I really don't care that she deleted her email server.  All her government emails would be saved on the other end anyway, and she turned over thousands that weren't.  Why would I need to see who else she emailed on her private email?  We don't require politicians to record their phone calls, so why is it such a big deal that we have every last email?  It isn't the only form of communication.  It is a nothing issue that has been overblown.  

The clinton foundation and Saudi Arabia stuff is just conspiracy theory crap.  It is a charity that Bill runs, does a ton of good.  



gergroy said:

Lol, the only thing this tells me is you have listened to one side of a very politicized story and completely ignored the other side.  This is the problem with politics in America.  A lot of People only have the ability to listen to one side.  Then you get all these "controversies" that aren't actually controversies thrown around and people just buy right into them.

 

honestly, I'm not a fan of Hillary as I said in my original statement, but I really don't care that she deleted her email server.  All her government emails would be saved on the other end anyway, and she turned over thousands that weren't.  Why would I need to see who else she emailed on her private email?  We don't require politicians to record their phone calls, so why is it such a big deal that we have every last email?  It isn't the only form of communication.  It is a nothing issue that has been overblown.  

The clinton foundation and Saudi Arabia stuff is just conspiracy theory crap.  It is a charity that Bill runs, does a ton of good.  

Then please tell me this other side of the story covering both the Clinton Foundation and the email situation.  Or do you have no knowledge about this 'other side of the story' and are you just blowing smoke?



May as well just give it to Hilary right now.