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teigaga said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You've somehow misconstrued my post.

I'm basically saying Sony would have crushed any competition unless it was a big company that was willing to throw money around like Sony.

MS spent a lot of money to challenge Sony directly, not many were willing to do that.

oh I see.  Still I think Nintendo took risks and was doing fine financially to challenge Sony.  I'm not that big into online stuff which is mainly what we have to thank MS for as far as consoles go.  I also kinda loathe them for making two weapon limits and regen health a standard in FPS games due to their most popular franchise always going that route.  Oh well at least online folks can enjoy their advancement in that area of the industry and there are other genres for me to enjoy than FPS

I feel with N64 and beyond Nintendo decided to focus gaming experiences Sony wasn't offering or didn't do as well. Hence, Nintendo got the hell out the way of Sony. SNES was the Playstation of the 4th gen. Nintendo became something else after that.

MS came in wanting to take on Sony directly and had undeniable success. Even the people that hate Xbox should atleast admit they made Sony better because they forced them to work harder. I can't say Nintendo did the same. Even now Nintendo makes little effort to compete with Xbox and Playstation.


Do you not think N64 differentiated itself back then,  Nintendo's unique 1st party portfolio especially with Rare, its superior control pad and PC ports which weren't possible on playstation hardware. The Gamecube however didn't offer anything gaming wise that the PS2 didn't. I loved the platform but the gamecube didn't even have great platformers lol. It didn't excel the PS2 in anyway other then its graphical capabilities.

PS2's JRPGs, Action games, adventure games, fighting games >>>>

Xbox's FPS's, Western RPGS >>>>

Gamecube??? (Party games?)


Don't forget OG Xbox generally had the best ports. Xbox ports generally ran a lot better and looked a generation ahead. Gamecube often had an edge on ports over PS2 as well.

Maybe you're missing what I'm saying. With N64 and beyond Nintendo differentiated itsellf because it wasn't doing a good job competing directly against Sony.

Gamecube shined by having notable 1st party games. It also did a better job at getting 3rd party support than N64.

1 Super Smash Bros. Melee GC 2001 Fighting Nintendo 4.41 1.04 1.39 0.22 7.07
2 Mario Kart: Double Dash!! GC 2003 Racing Nintendo 4.12 1.77 0.87 0.19 6.95
3 Super Mario Sunshine GC 2002 Platform Nintendo 4.01 1.26 0.87 0.17 6.31
4 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker GC 2002 Action Nintendo 2.60 0.99 0.89 0.13 4.60
5 Luigi's Mansion GC 2001 Action Nintendo 2.38 0.67 0.46 0.10 3.60
6 Animal Crossing GC 2001 Simulation Nintendo 1.92 0.16 0.99 0.09 3.15
7 Metroid Prime GC 2002 Shooter Nintendo 1.96 0.67 0.10 0.09 2.82
8 Sonic Adventure 2 Battle GC 2001 Platform Sega 1.70 0.59 0.21 0.07 2.56
9 Pokémon Colosseum GC 2003 Role-Playing Nintendo 1.21 0.57 0.70 0.07 2.54
10 Mario Party 4 GC 2002 Misc Nintendo 1.13 0.36 0.92 0.07 2.47
11 Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door GC 2004 Role-Playing Nintendo 1.48 0.25 0.46 0.06 2.25
12 Mario Party 5 GC 2003 Misc Nintendo 0.97 0.33 0.73 0.06 2.08
13 Sonic Mega Collection GC 2002 Misc Infogrames 1.47 0.48 0.05 0.06 2.05
14 Star Wars Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron II GC 2001 Simulation LucasArts 1.03 0.75 0.03 0.09 1.90
15 Star Fox Adventures GC 2002 Adventure Nintendo 0.96 0.53 0.30 0.09 1.87
16 Resident Evil 4 GC 2005 Action Capcom 0.98 0.42 0.22 0.06 1.69
17 Mario Party 6 GC 2004 Misc Nintendo 0.90 0.11 0.60 0.05 1.65
18 Pikmin GC 2001 Strategy Nintendo 0.78 0.25 0.56 0.04 1.63
19 Kirby Air Ride GC 2003 Racing Nintendo 1.01 0.11 0.45 0.04 1.62
20 Super Mario Strikers GC 2005 Sports Nintendo 0.98 0.38 0.20 0.04 1.61
21 Sonic Heroes GC 2003 Platform Sega 1.05 0.44 0.06 0.04 1.60
22 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess GC 2006 Action Nintendo 1.15 0.36 0.04 0.04 1.59
23 Mario Party 7 GC 2005 Misc Nintendo 0.95 0.11 0.46 0.04 1.57
24 Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour GC 2003 Sports Nintendo 1.09 0.15 0.25 0.04 1.53
25 Super Monkey Ball 2 GC 2002 Puzzle Atari 1.11 0.31 0.06 0.04 1.52
26 SoulCalibur II GC 2003 Fighting Namco Bandai Games 0.99 0.32 0.11 0.08 1.50
27 Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles GC 2003 Role-Playing Nintendo 0.72 0.38 0.36 0.04 1.49
28 Super Monkey Ball GC 2001 Puzzle Atari 0.95 0.37 0.10 0.04 1.46
29 Mario Superstar Baseball GC 2005 Sports Nintendo 0.93 0.24 0.25 0.04 1.46
30 Resident Evil GC 2002 Action Capcom 0.63 0.38 0.35 0.05 1.42


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teigaga said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You've somehow misconstrued my post.

I'm basically saying Sony would have crushed any competition unless it was a big company that was willing to throw money around like Sony.

MS spent a lot of money to challenge Sony directly, not many were willing to do that.

oh I see.  Still I think Nintendo took risks and was doing fine financially to challenge Sony.  I'm not that big into online stuff which is mainly what we have to thank MS for as far as consoles go.  I also kinda loathe them for making two weapon limits and regen health a standard in FPS games due to their most popular franchise always going that route.  Oh well at least online folks can enjoy their advancement in that area of the industry and there are other genres for me to enjoy than FPS

I feel with N64 and beyond Nintendo decided to focus gaming experiences Sony wasn't offering or didn't do as well. Hence, Nintendo got the hell out the way of Sony. SNES was the Playstation of the 4th gen. Nintendo became something else after that.

MS came in wanting to take on Sony directly and had undeniable success. Even the people that hate Xbox should atleast admit they made Sony better because they forced them to work harder. I can't say Nintendo did the same. Even now Nintendo makes little effort to compete with Xbox and Playstation.


Do you not think N64 differentiated itself back then,  Nintendo's unique 1st party portfolio especially with Rare, its superior control pad and PC ports which weren't possible on playstation hardware. The Gamecube however didn't offer anything gaming wise that the PS2 didn't. I loved the platform but the gamecube didn't even have great platformers lol. It didn't excel the PS2 in anyway other then its graphical capabilities.

PS2's JRPGs, Action games, adventure games, fighting games >>>>

Xbox's FPS's, Western RPGS >>>>

Gamecube??? (Party games?)


Uhhh...

First of all, lot's of PS2 games looked bad and ran poorly on the thing, it was hard to develop for. GC was cheaper, more powerful and easier to develop for. I love Battlefront, but it's a pain to play today because they barely used colour in that game. It's very grainy.

Let's also completely ignore games like Resident Evil 4 (the superior version), Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime 1, Metroid Prime 2, Super Mario Sunshine (a great platformer, unlike those PS2 R & C games people call platformers for some reason), Viewtiful Joe, Pikmin 1, Pikmin 2, Star Fox Adventures (Zelda clone), Soul Calibur II (it has progressive scan, PS2 version doesn't,oh and it has Link), Eternal Darkness (a horror game that is actually scary, truly a once in a generation game), Mario Kart: Double Dash (60 fps, even when playing with 4 people locally), Paper Mario: the thousand year door, etc.

Not to mention that you couldn't even play with 4 people locally on the PS2 without buying an extra add-on. 

So what games on the PS2 are like Metroid Prime 1 & 2, Animal Crossing, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin and Super Smash Bros. Melee?



MoHasanie said:

Everybody underestimated the Wii. I don't think anyone could have predicted it would be so successful.

And that first to 10m wins thing is silly since the 360 still came in third place.

Maybe worldwide, but it's the US that matters and 360 is second here and close to #1.



Watch the thread go into how Wii U is not outselling PS4 and Xbox One.

Microsoft's foray into the gaming industry has been well worth it, just for the amount of amusing wars they've created. At some points, it has been like watching a cartoon. Reminds me of SEGA does what Nintendon't.



contestgamer said:
MoHasanie said:

Everybody underestimated the Wii. I don't think anyone could have predicted it would be so successful.

And that first to 10m wins thing is silly since the 360 still came in third place.

Maybe worldwide, but it's the US that matters and 360 is second here and close to #1.

360 has been #1 is North America for a while. 

http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/



    

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Samus Aran said:
teigaga said:


Do you not think N64 differentiated itself back then,  Nintendo's unique 1st party portfolio especially with Rare, its superior control pad and PC ports which weren't possible on playstation hardware. The Gamecube however didn't offer anything gaming wise that the PS2 didn't. I loved the platform but the gamecube didn't even have great platformers lol. It didn't excel the PS2 in anyway other then its graphical capabilities.

PS2's JRPGs, Action games, adventure games, fighting games >>>>

Xbox's FPS's, Western RPGS >>>>

Gamecube??? (Party games?)


Uhhh...

First of all, lot's of PS2 games looked bad and ran poorly on the thing, it was hard to develop for. GC was cheaper, more powerful and easier to develop for. I love Battlefront, but it's a pain to play today because they barely used colour in that game. It's very grainy.

Let's also completely ignore games like Resident Evil 4 (the superior version), Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime 1, Metroid Prime 2, Super Mario Sunshine (a great platformer, unlike those PS2 R & C games people call platformers for some reason), Viewtiful Joe, Pikmin 1, Pikmin 2, Star Fox Adventures (Zelda clone), Soul Calibur II (it has progressive scan, PS2 version doesn't,oh and it has Link), Eternal Darkness (a horror game that is actually scary, truly a once in a generation game), Mario Kart: Double Dash (60 fps, even when playing with 4 people locally), Paper Mario: the thousand year door, etc.

Not to mention that you couldn't even play with 4 people locally on the PS2 without buying an extra add-on. 

So what games on the PS2 are like Metroid Prime 1 & 2, Animal Crossing, Eternal Darkness, Pikmin and Super Smash Bros. Melee?

How is it related to what he said?



Samus Aran said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Samus Aran said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I feel with N64 and beyond Nintendo decided to focus gaming experiences Sony wasn't offering or didn't do as well. Hence, Nintendo got the hell out the way of Sony. SNES was the Playstation of the 4th gen. Nintendo became something else after that.

MS came in wanting to take on Sony directly and had undeniable success. Even the people that hate Xbox should atleast admit they made Sony better because they forced them to work harder. I can't say Nintendo did the same. Even now Nintendo makes little effort to compete with Xbox and Playstation.

Still if you look at the sales of Goldeneye 007 mature games could do well on the N64. Very well.

As I said, "Nintendo decided to focus gaming experiences Sony wasn't offering or didn't do as well."

Part of the reason FPS games were so successful on N64 was because they were mostly garbage on PS1. Hence, console shooting fans flocked to N64. Playstation had no answer to that.

Then why were there so many platform fans on PS1?

Shots fired. :p

PS1 had Crash Bandicoot and Spyro.



Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Sony came in when the competition was weak. Also, Sony was in a finanically better position. PS1 won by default, N64 and Saturn were a mess.

Which is why Im glad MS came into the console fray. The industry needed a company willing to take big risks even against a mega company like Sony.

lol wut?

Sony was huge when they launched but so was MS.  MS was doing fine financially in 01.  Sony takes plenty of risks software wise and MS is more of a mega company than Sony

You've somehow misconstrued my post.

I'm basically saying Sony would have crushed any competition unless it was a big company that was willing to throw money around like Sony.

MS spent a lot of money to challenge Sony directly, not many were willing to do that.

oh I see.  Still I think Nintendo took risks and was doing fine financially to challenge Sony.  I'm not that big into online stuff which is mainly what we have to thank MS for as far as consoles go.  I also kinda loathe them for making two weapon limits and regen health a standard in FPS games due to their most popular franchise always going that route.  Oh well at least online folks can enjoy their advancement in that area of the industry and there are other genres for me to enjoy than FPS

Halo didn't make Two Weapon Limits. And it had regen shields, not health.



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"Because they came off the GameCube and it was a disaster."

So using MS logic I can discount the next Xbox? It is a silly reason to discount another company lol



Mr Puggsly said:

Sony came in when the competition was weak. Also, Sony was in a finanically better position. PS1 won by default, N64 and Saturn were a mess.

Which is why Im glad MS came into the console fray. The industry needed a company willing to take big risks even against a mega company like Sony.

Wait... are you calling Nintendo and Sega weak after SNES/Mega Drive? O.O

SNES / Mega Drive were super strong when Sony launched PlayStation and Saturn/N64 did put a tie a tie competition...