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Serious_frusting on 06 July 2015
Pavolink said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pavolink said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

 

Devs are not going to port their games regardless of power because there's no audience that will buy their games. It will be just a waste of time. If Nintendo wants those third parties, not only power will be needed, but they must be commitent to build an installbase willing to buy those kind of games.


Power and launch time was the issue. Nintendo needs to prepare the hardware before they launch so the third parties can prepare the games. When they made the Wii and Wii U, they made it despite the existence of third party  (So really all they got were really bad downports and exclusives). The install base comes when/where the games are available. It was too late for the Wii U from the start. You cannot just make the hardware and expect the devs to downport almost to last gen level when they told you they wouldnt.

Power alone won't make third parties port their games. Wii U has western devs games and didn't sell good. Even on launch. AC audience was not there on Wii U because audience prefered to buy games like 3D World and The Wind Waker HD.


Or maybe the people that buy Assassins Creed know that Nintendo would give them the worst AC experiance out of the three consoles. If I like assassins Creed why go for the weaker console when I can go to xbox PlayStation and get a much better experiance? Its on nintendo.



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Soundwave on 06 July 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pavolink said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pavolink said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

 

Devs are not going to port their games regardless of power because there's no audience that will buy their games. It will be just a waste of time. If Nintendo wants those third parties, not only power will be needed, but they must be commitent to build an installbase willing to buy those kind of games.


Power and launch time was the issue. Nintendo needs to prepare the hardware before they launch so the third parties can prepare the games. When they made the Wii and Wii U, they made it despite the existence of third party  (So really all they got were really bad downports and exclusives). The install base comes when/where the games are available. It was too late for the Wii U from the start. You cannot just make the hardware and expect the devs to downport almost to last gen level when they told you they wouldnt.

Power alone won't make third parties port their games. Wii U has western devs games and didn't sell good. Even on launch. AC audience was not there on Wii U because audience prefered to buy games like 3D World and The Wind Waker HD.

Ugh.....i'll explain it to you in an easier way. Microsoft lost their first generation in such a bad way that they took it personally against Sony. They realized third party are the most powerful treasure in the console business. Without third party you more often than not will lose(under legitimate circumstances). Microsoft made their hardware early enough to launch a year ahead of Sony (without finishing R&D) and rushed it out so they could woo third party away from exclusivity with Sony. Once they did this the multiplat gamers saw them first and jumped ship. Once Sony screwed up their pricing announcement more gamers jumped ship to Microsoft because essentially they were offering essentially the same catalogue sans exclusives.

Thats how much third party matters. Microsoft risked RROD just to get them to come over to their console to have a shot at being competitive.

You see...if Nintendo creates the hardware to benefit both the third party and themselves (if its built to that purpose), it will have far more success than the Wii U. As I've said before, this generation is not over. Nintendo still has a lot of gamers that they can pick up that havent jumped ship from last gen. There are a lot of gamers who would buy a console that has Nintendo exclusives as well as the same wealth of exclusives on a yearly basis that Sony and Microsoft are getting. 

Third party are done with last gen powerwise and they have been since before this gen started. They only kept the last gen going because of money. Now that the current gens showing signs of healthy profits they are willing to let go of last gen for good (lucky for those of us who own next gen consoles).  They dont have to pay for dual development any longer.


This generation is over. PS4 will probably be $299.99 with 40+ million install base and XBox One past 20 million by fall 2016. 

It's over for Nintendo if they want to compete head on this gen. They would have to make a machine that can compete with the PS5, not PS4, and Nintendo is unlikely to do that. 



beeje13 on 06 July 2015

It's not worth the programming effort, essentially.

Now if NX was x86 based...



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Pavolink on 06 July 2015
Serious_frusting said:


Or maybe the people that buy Assassins Creed know that Nintendo would give them the worst AC experiance out of the three consoles. If I like assassins Creed why go for the weaker console when I can go to xbox PlayStation and get a much better experiance? Its on nintendo.


Irrelevant. If the Nintendo console is the only I have, why would I buy a new expensive console to have the "better" experience? Nonesense. Majority of people buys the hardware according to games, not for the "better" experience.



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Soundwave on 06 July 2015

You'd have a situation anyway where it would be like this

Call of Duty PS4 - 6 million copies
Call of Duty X1 - 4 million copies
Call of Duty Nintendo - 100,000 copies

Even if programming between the machines was easy I couldn't really fault some third party devs for not even bothering. Company resources are finite.

People who like third party games all own a Playstation or XBox already, they're not going to buy a new console to play the same games and then also have the situtaion that their friends don't have the same console, so they can't play them online either. 

Nintendo will bank on NX being a hybrid type platform that basically makes the portable the star of the show I think. If that doesn't take off (the console part of it anyway), then I think they'll go console third party and just continue to make their own handhelds for a little while longer. 



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Fight-the-Streets on 06 July 2015

The will NEVER go third party! Before that, they would leave gaming business behind and venture into new and old businesses. They have so much money on the bank, they want to rule not to cater as a third party.



Heavenly_King on 07 July 2015
marley said:
Heavenly_King said:


The gamecube got 3rd party games.  So your point is?


My point is Nintendo still completely dominated software and 3rd party was left with the scraps.  Part of the reason why Nintendo can't get 3rd parties - Nintendo gamers buy Nintendo games.  Why should 3rd parties continue creating unsuccessful games for Nintendo when they can be very successful elsewhere?

if that was the case the gamecube would not have gotten any 3rd party game.



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2Ultra on 08 July 2015

It doesn't help that our phones have more memory and storage space than Nintendo's consoles...



baloofarsan on 08 July 2015

3d party games that sold to more than 10% of the installed base (on PS4 & XB1):
EA: FIFA, Battlefield
Activision: CoD, Destiny
Ubisoft: Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Watchdogs
Take-Two: GTA, NBA 2K
I thought we all agreed to dislike these games (except GTA and maybe FC)

3d party games that sold to more than 5% of the installed base (on PS4 & XB1):
EA: NfS,The Evil Within, Madden, Dragon Age: Inquisition
WB: Lego, Mortal Kombat, Middle-Earth
Namco Bandai: The Witcher
Bethesda: Wolfenstein
The only ones with any "street-cred" are Middle-Earth, The Witcher and DA:I



terreon13 on 08 July 2015
Soundwave said:

You'd have a situation anyway where it would be like this

Call of Duty PS4 - 6 million copies
Call of Duty X1 - 4 million copies
Call of Duty Nintendo - 100,000 copies

Even if programming between the machines was easy I couldn't really fault some third party devs for not even bothering. Company resources are finite.

People who like third party games all own a Playstation or XBox already, they're not going to buy a new console to play the same games and then also have the situtaion that their friends don't have the same console, so they can't play them online either. 

Nintendo will bank on NX being a hybrid type platform that basically makes the portable the star of the show I think. If that doesn't take off (the console part of it anyway), then I think they'll go console third party and just continue to make their own handhelds for a little while longer. 

Let's list your stupidity:

1. saying cod would sell 100k on nintendo when wii u has a cod that sold 300k so far and another with close sales. that's even though those games were announced later than the other versions, had no advertising and released when the installed base was at it's lowest. A properly advertised cod released right now on wii u would probably break the 1 million mark rather easily.

2. Saying people who like third parties ALL own ps or xbox. sure, ignore people who buy nintendo consoles. keep living in denial.

3. Insisting on this crazy "fusion" thing without evidence. I wouldn't say a thing against it if there was some evidence.