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If you want to go that way look at profits from division. That would make Wii the winner by far (profit with HW and most 1t party games with higher profit and price hold). But why do you bother to announce that after this was discussed hundred of times and X360 in VGC have outsold Wii SW long ago.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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FromDK said:
One word... USB loader

That wii sold almost the same amount of games like ps360.. is insane, when we know how easy and smooth it was to pirate that system..

So no.. no matter if you look at consoles.. earnings.. or games outthere.. wii is the absolut winner


Yeah... sure... X360 and PS2 were easy to hack and still got around 10:1 attach ratio. Wii sold less SW because owners had more specific taste and/or multiple console so just bought some games on Wii and other MP and exclusives of the other plats, justifying less sales per console.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Goodnightmoon said:
Lawlight said:


Incorrect:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/playstation-3-finally-turning-a-profit-on-each-console-sold/

Oh sorry, it only lost money for 4 years lol XD

And when it was losing money, it lost between 200$ - 300$ per unit, so I´m not sure if earning like 15$ per console later is really profitable for the whole generation. I think it doesnt.

Hey, you were wrong, it's ok - it happens.



Ka-pi96 said:
Why can't people just accept that the Wii sold the most consoles last gen and won? You don't have to like it, but facts are facts and the fact is that the Wii outsold the other consoles.

But we don't play hardware. We play games!!!



If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

Nintendo and the Wii won because they didn't lose billions to RROD.

MS and the 360 came second though but thats not saying anything when Sony did a terrible job with the ps3 from a business viewpoint. They crippled themselves selling at a loss just to be competitive with second place in terms of sales.



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Dr.Vita said:
Hardware: Money goes to the console producers
Software: Money goes to the console producers and third-party studios

well not nintendo, they get all the software money.



Dr.Vita said:
Hardware: Money goes to the console producers
Software: Money goes to the console producers and third-party studios

and retailers



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Goodnightmoon said:
Lawlight said:


Incorrect:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/playstation-3-finally-turning-a-profit-on-each-console-sold/

Oh sorry, it only lost money for 4 years lol XD

And when it was losing money, it lost between 200$ - 300$ per unit, so I´m not sure if earning like 15$ per console later is really profitable for the whole generation. I think it doesnt.

You know, you could always be a nice person and thank the other person who tried to educate you without them using any snarky remarks. You clearly made a factually incorrect statement. Your reply is completely irrelevant to the point you made. Had you said, "ps3 hardware was not profitable", it would have been fine. But you didn't. It's not that big of a deal to admit that you were wrong, you know.

As for the actual argument you made, you are suggesting that when it was losing money, it was always between 200 -300 USD, and when it was earing it was  merely 15 USD. How exactly do you know that? How many years did that last for? Were there really no other variations?

At any rate, as far as I'm concerned, it's impossible to determine a winner. Each console was a winner and a loser last gen.

Xb360 - winner for improving over xboriginal, strengthening the xb brand, making live successful, etc

xb360- loser for losing billions of dollars due to RROD. Last years of its cycle not well supported, leaving the door open for ps4 to kick ass.

Ps3 - winner.  It was so well supported that it helped the brand, hence the sales of ps4

ps3 - loser Lost bllions at the beginning until middle of the generation due to expensive hardware. Lost the lead, many ps fans went to the xb camp and never came back. Now Sony needs to put up a fight to win the Us and the UK with ps4.

Wii - winner. Massive hardware and software sales. Extemely profitable

Wii - Loser. Many people who bought it (especially the masses) felt burnt after buying a console they had no need for. Support dropped and only a tiny hardcore fanbase was left with interest in Ninty consoles. WIu sales were (at least in my opinion) a clear reflection of customer dissatisfaction with the wii. It hurt the brand more than people care to admit.

So who is the winner? Easy. No one.

 

The Op's argument is flawed considering that

a) We simply have no reliable source for how much each console has sold

b) 2 sales are not always better than 4. You also need to take into account cost of each game, price drops, first party/ third party, cost of developing the game, etc. For example, I'm sure than wii play cost close to nothing, while other successful games like Halo 3, Grand Turismo 5, etc cost 10s of millions of dollars.



Nah, because the Wii was sold at a profit, while the PS3 and the 360 caused massive losses for their parent companies (PS3 because of Blu-ray and Cell, 360 bexause of RRoD)

Wii won last gen, it's time to get over it.



the winner of the console generation should be decided by how fun the games are. you know, fun? THE REASON WE PLAY VIDEO GAMES