This is a good example of not getting what the OP means. I didn't "bash" 60 fps and I am not talking about what people on forums want. Please try again, this time reading the OP, not just skimming through it.

Yes, pretty much. This applies to PS1 to PS4. Sony always had something to show that made others look worse. Ridge Racer 1 only had one track? Who cares, it looks better than Daytona. Virtua Fighter is a very good port from the arcade? Sure. Tekken looked way better.

PS3 might be an exception here because only 1st gen was looking better than games on 360 but the console had a problem with multiplatform titles and this was also known by the public.

PS4 was on track again with Killzone SF. We can of course argue how bad or good the game is (there will always be defenders) but what helped was also that Ryse, although still very good looking, didn't manage to render at 1080p which was a very dominating talk in forums, it also was doomed right after E3 because of its QTEs. The game didn't have a chance to get hyped like Killzone.

They should learn from Monolith. Or Square.

The problem with MS first party for me is that I'm done with Gears and Fable, Halo 4 was fun but I'm not really excited about another one, which just leaves Forza. Not really enough to justify a console purchase
Hopefully Quantum break turns out to be awesome to persuade me to complete the set.

I've always felt that Xbox is a console for "rich multiplayer experiences" It doesn't really require mindblowing graphics, but its imperative that its games are sound performance and mechanics wise. Most of their titles do lack a certain visual flair, I guess, but there are exceptions. Quantum Break is on the way, which is story driven with excellent graphics, and Crackdown 3 is probably going to be another graphical showcase for the system with its fully destructible environments.

With single player story driven titles, which is what I'd say Sony focuses on, graphics are far more important. They can get away with sacrificing performance and mechanics even for the sake of telling a good story, or creating a nice atmosphere.

Lastly, I don't really get where people are coming from when they say that M$ only puts out shooters. They've had a lot of variety so far this gen. What 1st or 2nd party shooters do they even have besides Halo and Gears? Titanfall? Does that even count?

The thing is that I believe that at this point, Sony could even stop making first party exclusives and they would still easily win this console generation. Look how massive multiplatform titles sell on PS4 and how much they boost hardware sales. Perhaps this is a bit too far but I really think that it won't hurt the console much having only 3rd party games.

To me this is not so important, to be honest. Most games I have on 360 are multiplats and I don't care if a game is exclusive or not :) Doesn't change the game itself in any way. The reason I chose a 360 last gen was not only because of 1st party (though I like Forza and Forza Horizon a lot) but better multiplats and I never got used to a dual-shock, the controller was way better for my hands so this was an easy choice for me.

Sure, if you already have a PS4 and there are no games on Xbone you want to play, then there is of course no reason to buy the system.

Yep, I already have the ps4 and I actually prefer the DS4 over the xbox controller.

I started out with a 360 last gen and live gold. Yet a couple rrods in a row changed my multiplat preference to ps3 (not being able to play for 3 weeks gets old fast) which also led me to cancel live gold. I still enjoyed FH in single player, but getting gold again for one game seemed rather dumb. Meanwhile I had signed up for ps+ for the discounts and extra games so the transition to ps4 was an easy choice.

I would love to play FH2, but that's about all I want to play on XB1 atm. Just can't justify it with a huge backlog on ps4 already. I was hoping for a PGR5 announcement at E3, and MS bringing Dirt rally to XB1 would have sealed the deal immediately. Rallisport challenge 3 will do it too.

Diversity is the biggest issue of MS.

Sony has more (even if you say not better) types of games and that appeal to more gamers than what MS has.

You will says Indies doesn't make difference but it makes because add diversity.

I see a lot of gamers liking Knack, Ryse and The Order... they are bad games in my opinion but there will be always people that love them... big end diversity is what made a bood library of the games.

PS2 was the king due these facts.

I got to try the DS4 at Gamescom last year but only for a few minutes. I think the DS4 is way better than the old dual-shocks but I couldn't get used to the triggers, sadly. I guess I would have to use it more often to adjust to them.

But yes, so we end up buying because of reasons and I am glad I bought a 360 slim model as my first model, I never had a problem with it, thing runs with close to no noise (I install all my games if not digital).

The thing is that MS indeed has many good games on Xbone, in my opinion. Games that really would deserve high sales, too, and the difference in quality of first party games also do not justify the sales difference between the two systems which is why I think that people always telling that it's first party games that make a difference is just not true, at least not as the only parameter.

Again, in my opinion Sony could easily win this gen even without their 1st party games by now. PS4 just has the "go to"-image this gen.