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Acevil on 02 July 2015
o_O.Q said:
Acevil said:


Here is the thing, it isn't conspiracy theory, this is what happened. USA funded Syrian Rebels with weapons (not necessarily all USA branded weapons).....Syrian Rebels in turn sold those weapons to than the weak ISIS. 

USA isn't exactly at fault more like repeating past mistakes over and over again (Since communist Cuba). They constantly try to fund rebels, and it always backfires in one way.

Add in response to your previous post. Also by the way, I meant ISIS bought them from the rebels. (Not Syrians rebels bought them on the blackmarket.)

"USA isn't exactly at fault more like repeating past mistakes over and over again "

and you believe that this is being done innocently i guess?

Iraq, Lybia, Syria etc etc etc all innocent mistakes


My honest opinion, I think these mistakes are done because of the USA own division between the two parties. The level of judgement gets clouded, and they end up creating their own worse enemies. From the creation of Afghanistani rebels (Taliban) against Russia to as far back as USA backing dictator by the name Fulgencio Batista in Cuba. 

Also yes I call them mistakes, because I like to believe USA isn't going out of the way, to create their own enemies. 

Given my knowledge is truly limited, I am not a political science major. So I could be wrong in my of assertions. 

Add: I need to stop mislabeling Iraq as Iran. Also I not gonna stay in this topic for too long. I more recently decided to be more optimistic. 



 

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Goatseye on 02 July 2015
o_O.Q said:
Goatseye said:
o_O.Q said:
Stellar_Fungk said:
How did they get those american humvees?


it amuses me that so many people feign all this outrage yet forget to ask the important questions like this one

No room for conspiracy theories here. They got them from fleeing or defeated Iraqi army.


you call it a conspiracy theory in what sense?

are you aware that it is a well known fact that the us was funding , arming and training rebels in syria?

it was then later discovered that these rebels were collaborating with al-qaeda... you know the guys that were the supposed to be a big threat before ISIS?

that actually are ISIS rebranded?

this is what your taxes are funding lol

Tell your fairy tales to a different person.

Arming rebels to topple unwanted regimes are an old practice by the US.

If the rebels choose to ally with different sides, at what fault is the US? And Al-Qaeda didn't rebrand ISIS, they denied any involvement with them.

And no, my tax dollars go towards securing strip clubs so we can have fun the American way, lawls lawls lawls...



o_O.Q on 02 July 2015
Goatseye said:
o_O.Q said:


you call it a conspiracy theory in what sense?

are you aware that it is a well known fact that the us was funding , arming and training rebels in syria?

it was then later discovered that these rebels were collaborating with al-qaeda... you know the guys that were the supposed to be a big threat before ISIS?

that actually are ISIS rebranded?

this is what your taxes are funding lol

Tell your fairy tales to a different person.

Arming rebels to topple unwanted regimes are an old practice by the US.

If the rebels choose to ally with different sides, at what fault is the US? And Al-Qaeda didn't rebrand ISIS, they denied any involvement with them.

And no, my tax dollars go towards securing strip clubs so we can have fun the American way, lawls lawls lawls...


buddy all i can do is present facts to you, if you don't want to accept them then so be it

once more they knew about the allegiances

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/i-am-not-fighting-againstalqaida-itsnot-our-problem-says-wests-last-hope-in-syria-9233424.html

 

and these wars were all planned



o_O.Q on 02 July 2015
Acevil said:
o_O.Q said:

"USA isn't exactly at fault more like repeating past mistakes over and over again "

and you believe that this is being done innocently i guess?

Iraq, Lybia, Syria etc etc etc all innocent mistakes


My honest opinion, I think these mistakes are done because of the USA own division between the two parties. The level of judgement gets clouded, and they end up creating their own worse enemies. From the creation of Afghanistani rebels (Taliban) against Russia to as far back as USA backing dictator by the name Fulgencio Batista in Cuba. 

Also yes I call them mistakes, because I like to believe USA isn't going out of the way, to create their own enemies. 

Given my knowledge is truly limited, I am not a political science major. So I could be wrong in my of assertions. 

Add: I need to stop mislabeling Iraq as Iran. Also I not gonna stay in this topic for too long. I more recently decided to be more optimistic. 

 

fair enough i personally believe this was all planned because high ranking officials have said so

 

and also because they have lied constantly during these events to justify their actions

"no nation can stand against a world united"


Goatseye on 02 July 2015
o_O.Q said:
Goatseye said:

Tell your fairy tales to a different person.

Arming rebels to topple unwanted regimes are an old practice by the US.

If the rebels choose to ally with different sides, at what fault is the US? And Al-Qaeda didn't rebrand ISIS, they denied any involvement with them.

And no, my tax dollars go towards securing strip clubs so we can have fun the American way, lawls lawls lawls...


buddy all i can do is present facts to you, if you don't want to accept them then so be it

once more they knew about the allegiances

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/i-am-not-fighting-againstalqaida-itsnot-our-problem-says-wests-last-hope-in-syria-9233424.html

 

and these wars were all planned

So you wanted the West to nuke Al Qaeda while they were fighting alongside SRF?

You wanted them to fight 2 fronts and take risk at commiting fracticide and consequently ruin a campaign?

C'mon man billions of dollars are not invested into compulsive wars, sure they're planned.



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Ryng on 02 July 2015

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Moonhero on 02 July 2015

Fuck Isis. Hit them with everything we got.



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o_O.Q on 02 July 2015
Goatseye said:
o_O.Q said:
Goatseye said:

Tell your fairy tales to a different person.

Arming rebels to topple unwanted regimes are an old practice by the US.

If the rebels choose to ally with different sides, at what fault is the US? And Al-Qaeda didn't rebrand ISIS, they denied any involvement with them.

And no, my tax dollars go towards securing strip clubs so we can have fun the American way, lawls lawls lawls...


buddy all i can do is present facts to you, if you don't want to accept them then so be it

once more they knew about the allegiances

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/i-am-not-fighting-againstalqaida-itsnot-our-problem-says-wests-last-hope-in-syria-9233424.html

 

and these wars were all planned

So you wanted the West to nuke Al Qaeda while they were fighting alongside SRF?

You wanted them to fight 2 fronts and take risk at commiting fracticide and consequently ruin a campaign?

C'mon man billions of dollars are not invested into compulsive wars, sure they're planned.


lol no i wanted the west to not create al qaeda in the first place to push their global agenda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RCFZnWGE0

or saddam hussein for that matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk35suofbYQ



Goatseye on 02 July 2015
coolbeans said:
Goatseye said:
coolbeans said:
Stellar_Fungk said:
How did they get those american humvees?

A lot of American equipment was left in Iraq.

I would say offered to Iraqi army.


A better way to put it, I suppose. But as far as quantity goes, I've wondered if leaving as much as they did was partially influenced by the cost of bringing it back.

Iraqi government is not a poor one as well.

However, US's intention for the longest in Iraq was to train and equip local law enforcement and their military.

The tribal division within the country never allowed for a homogeneous government let alone a body of law enforcement and military.

US trained and equiped every province of Northern Iraq and most of them crumbled under ISIS occupation.

Iraqi forces were scared of ISIS because a lot of the populace were joining the invasive force instead of helping them. The military and police fled and left their equipments to luck.



ReimTime on 02 July 2015

Since they are bat shit crazy they already claim themselves as a worldwide Caliphate, which to them justifies the purification of their "pure Muslim faith" by destroying religious minorities. They are Wahhabists that take their texts very literally; or Salifist Jihadists if you will. This means that they not only want to destroy all other religions, they want to kill all the Shi'a muslims as well (evident by their frequent bombings of Shiite mosques). I think they are a bunch of dumb shitheads, and to be perfectly honest, unless we bomb the shit out of them they will never stop murdering civilians and trying to advance into other countries.


*edit* If anyone wants to read a reflection paper I wrote about ISIS, here you go.



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