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Greece has lost 25% of its GPD in last 5 years , this catastrophy has happened in other countries only during War.
I am Greek and voted No because of 33% of people that living under poverty condition , 27% unemployment rate and 10 thousands suicudes in last 4 years.
And people must not forget that after the greeks, the next target will be the population of other European Countries.



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routsounmanman said:

"democracy", "arent't fit to vote responsibly"

You sure know your stuff about democracy...

That's why I said that. I noted that it's ironic that the nation that's called "fathers of democracy" are so bad at making responsible democratic decisions.


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and write this off as a misunderdtanding because of the language barrier.



generic-user-1 said:

 far left my ass... syriza is just not neoliberal they dont want state capitalism like the udssr had, or communism, they dont even want socialism.   they want a more social democratic system, thats not realy  problem, those system have the best results in the long run.


Well, they literally call themselves that. Syriza = "Coalition of the Radical Left". Who's to argue with that?



"Greece's dire situation is partly due to the high debt the country had at the start of the 2008 financial crisis. But it's also due to a severe depression that has dragged on since that time. The economic slump has reduced the size of the Greek economy by around 30 percent, which is a big part of the reason Greece's debt-to-GDP ratio has grown from 107 percent in 2008 to 177 percent today."

In contrast to popular belief, debt is not what caused the Greek crisis. The extreme recession raised the debt / GDP ratio, thus making the debt unsustainable. Global negative spotlight and austerity measures transformed a manageable problem, to the mess we have today.


http://www.vox.com/2015/7/5/8895937/greek-referendum-no-consequences



Its official, greece votes no: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=205606&page=1#



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sc94597 said:
fatslob-:O said:
sc94597 said:

The rest of Europe, parts of Asia, and the U.S follow within the next 30 years or so. Greece is just an extreme example of where the rest of the world is heading.

You think so ?

Yep. I have no confidence that any of these countries will stop what they are doing: going back and forth on interest rates until their bubbles get bigger and bigger due to malinvestments (directed by said interest rates), bailing out said malinvestments, while they amass trillions of dollars worth of debt which they'll never be able to sustain. There will be a larger recession than the one in 2008, hyperinflation, and higher unemployment everywhere. Furthermore, with the growing economic powers in the second and third worlds global wealth distributions will more often transfer to these other, more stable regions. The cause of this? Cronyism.

You forgot to mention that, after all that you said has occured, people will wants again blame it on President Bush. Meanwhile, the liberals keep spending money.



Psychotic said:
generic-user-1 said:

 far left my ass... syriza is just not neoliberal they dont want state capitalism like the udssr had, or communism, they dont even want socialism.   they want a more social democratic system, thats not realy  problem, those system have the best results in the long run.


Well, they literally call themselves that. Syriza = "Coalition of the Radical Left". Who's to argue with that?

well merkels party is called CDU, the c stand for christian, but they dont care about that, the d stand for democratic, but well they are just fans of democratie if its in their favour, and not to much work. and the U stand for union, but they never want the same like their partner in the union.

names dont have to represent program...

and their government is the best greek government in forever. they arent corrupt, they have a clear vision and they have 2 competent leaders.



generic-user-1 said:

well merkels party is called CDU, the c stand for christian, but they dont care about that, the d stand for democratic, but well they are just fans of democratie if its in their favour, and not to much work. and the U stand for union, but they never want the same like their partner in the union.

names dont have to represent program...

and their government is the best greek government in forever. they arent corrupt, they have a clear vision and they have 2 competent leaders.


Well, that's a matter of opinion. The most common description of Tspiras I came across is "not an evil guy, only really incompetent". Also, the more extreme a party is, the most "clear vision" they have.

Also, you don't name yourselves Far Left without being far left.



Psychotic said:
generic-user-1 said:

well merkels party is called CDU, the c stand for christian, but they dont care about that, the d stand for democratic, but well they are just fans of democratie if its in their favour, and not to much work. and the U stand for union, but they never want the same like their partner in the union.

names dont have to represent program...

and their government is the best greek government in forever. they arent corrupt, they have a clear vision and they have 2 competent leaders.


Well, that's a matter of opinion. The most common description of Tspiras I came across is "not an evil guy, only really incompetent". Also, the more extreme a party is, the most "clear vision" they have.

Also, you don't name yourselves Far Left without being far left.

beeing far left isnt a stigma in alot of european countrys.

 

tsipras hasnt destroyed his countrys economy with another bad deal, thats a plus.

their vision is back to the 80s and thats a good vision.

the only far left point on their agenda is getting greece out of the nato, but i dont think they want to leave if they are allowed to go the french way.



generic-user-1 said:

tsipras hasnt destroyed his countrys economy with another bad deal, thats a plus.

That remains to be seen. We'll revisit that in 5 years, okay?

generic-user-1 said:

their vision is back to the 80s and thats a good vision.

Well, that vision might just come true. At least economically