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archer9234 on 30 June 2015
Aeolus451 said:
DeduS said:
the-pi-guy said:

That's not very simple at all.

Do you have a desire to play as a monster?

When you play Uncharted, do you desire to be in the shoes of an adventurer who gets shot at?

The gender of a character really doesn't matter.  It's just a label to describe what parts a person has.

Why do you have such difficulty playing with different parts, particularly when inhuman creatures have more different parts than woman do?

I'll try to explain it, since I have the same problem as Shiken in regards to playing as a female character.

I first encountered it with Final Fantasy X-2. Some of my friends (me included) were annoyed that the playable characters were all female while others didn't care - so we wondered why and discussed it.

We came up with the following: there seem to be 2 types of players.

(1) Some people take the character that is given to them and play as that character - it's like a book or a movie to them. The character has it's own personality and the player just role-plays as that character. Players like that won't have a problem playing a character of the opposite sex.

(2) Then there are players like me (and Shiken I guess). They don't really role-play - they project themselves on the character. They view the character as a representation of themselves, which obviously leads to difficulties when you have to play as the opposite sex.

 


I can understand that. In games like where you can fully customize your character like fallout, elder scrolls, mass effect and dragon's dogma, I'll make the character as close to myself as possible but I'll change some things of course but I'll never pick female as my character's sex.

In games like the TLOU, horizon, tomb raider, GOW and MGS, I'll play the character as is and to me, i'm not them and they are not me.

I'm the oposite. I will play as everything. design everything that's allowed. Saints Row even has achivements that require you to play as both genders for 2 hours. I don't feel like I played the game 100% if I didn't use the other character options. For Mass Effects case. I don't like Male Sheps voice. So I default to Fem shep. So any game that lets use costimize. I have the female player setup. GTA, Dragons dogma, Sims etc. And MMO's. Two character slots. One is gonna be the female. Even Pokemon. I usually buy two versions. One has the female player. It helps me not get confused where I traded to what game.



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HoloDust on 30 June 2015
Teeqoz said:
Samus Aran said:
Horizon felt forced indeed.

During pre-history females usually collected fruit, vegetables, etc. while the men hunted.


Horizon isn't set in pre-history. It's set in post-history, and to me it doesn't seem likely that societal norms like that would move backwards just because we lose our technology.

Technology is precisely what is allowing for modern societal norms, since it generates abundance of resources. Remove that, and even in best case post-apocalyptic scenario you will have common sense of who is most important for procreation winning over any other argument.

In post-historic world like Horizon's, no sane tribe leader would risk many women when there are men at disposal for hunting - people seem to forget that males can't give birth to new tribe members, females can, hence it's vital to keep them alive and healthy. On that, add the fact that on average men are stronger and when it comes to hunting with primitive weapons that counts a lot.

IMO, it really doesn't have anytihing to do with 'eqaulity' or 'oppression', it's just common sense, hence why it would be expected that most, if not all, hunters in Horizon are men. But I'm eager to see how they've set up that world and main heroine's background.



archer9234 on 30 June 2015
HoloDust said:
Teeqoz said:
Samus Aran said:
Horizon felt forced indeed.

During pre-history females usually collected fruit, vegetables, etc. while the men hunted.


Horizon isn't set in pre-history. It's set in post-history, and to me it doesn't seem likely that societal norms like that would move backwards just because we lose our technology.

Technology is precisely what is allowing for modern societal norms, since it generates abundance of resources. Remove that, and even in best case post-apocalyptic scenario you will have common sense of who is most important for procreation winning over any other argument.

In post-historic world like Horizon's, no sane tribe leader would risk many women when there are men at disposal for hunting - people seem to forget that males can't give birth to new tribe members, females can, hence it's vital to keep them alive and healthy. On that, add the fact that on average men are stronger and when it comes to hunting with primitive weapons that counts a lot.

IMO, it really doesn't have anytihing to do with 'eqaulity' or 'oppression', it's just common sense, hence why it would be expected that most, if not all, hunters in Horizon are men. But I'm eager to see how they've set up that world and main heroine's background.

But. By also a logical standpoint. If everyone hunted that was able, should. More food for the tribe. If everyone did all the roles. That tribe would be better off.



SuperNova on 30 June 2015
HoloDust said:
Teeqoz said:
Samus Aran said:
Horizon felt forced indeed.

During pre-history females usually collected fruit, vegetables, etc. while the men hunted.


Horizon isn't set in pre-history. It's set in post-history, and to me it doesn't seem likely that societal norms like that would move backwards just because we lose our technology.

Technology is precisely what is allowing for modern societal norms, since it generates abundance of resources. Remove that, and even in best case post-apocalyptic scenario you will have common sense of who is most important for procreation winning over any other argument.

In post-historic world like Horizon's, no sane tribe leader would risk many women when there are men at disposal for hunting - people seem to forget that males can't give birth to new tribe members, females can, hence it's vital to keep them alive and healthy. On that, add the fact that on average men are stronger and when it comes to hunting with primitive weapons that counts a lot.

IMO, it really doesn't have anytihing to do with 'eqaulity' or 'oppression', it's just common sense, hence why it would be expected that most, if not all, hunters in Horizon are men. But I'm eager to see how they've set up that world and main heroine's background.

See my post further above. What you say might hold some merit, or logic to it, but pre-history didn't really follow it.

There's evidence of pre-historic women hunting along with the males. I don't see why post-historic ones wouldn't.

Although your weapon argument would be quite good if the weapons were the deciding factor in the hunt. At least most pre-historc tribes likely simply outrun their prey in long distance. As in, they chased them at a steady pace until the weakest of the herd collapsed and then killed them when they were already down. (Or they herded them into a ravine native american style) This is what humans are evolved to do, were likely the best long distance runners in the animal kingdom.

As for the post historic ones, they seem to have some technology to their weapons so they might be evolved enough that drawing strengh for example is not as vital as general flexibility, or fast reflexes.



Aeolus451 on 30 June 2015
archer9234 said:
HoloDust said:
Teeqoz said:
Samus Aran said:
Horizon felt forced indeed.

During pre-history females usually collected fruit, vegetables, etc. while the men hunted.


Horizon isn't set in pre-history. It's set in post-history, and to me it doesn't seem likely that societal norms like that would move backwards just because we lose our technology.

Technology is precisely what is allowing for modern societal norms, since it generates abundance of resources. Remove that, and even in best case post-apocalyptic scenario you will have common sense of who is most important for procreation winning over any other argument.

In post-historic world like Horizon's, no sane tribe leader would risk many women when there are men at disposal for hunting - people seem to forget that males can't give birth to new tribe members, females can, hence it's vital to keep them alive and healthy. On that, add the fact that on average men are stronger and when it comes to hunting with primitive weapons that counts a lot.

IMO, it really doesn't have anytihing to do with 'eqaulity' or 'oppression', it's just common sense, hence why it would be expected that most, if not all, hunters in Horizon are men. But I'm eager to see how they've set up that world and main heroine's background.

But. By also a logical standpoint. If everyone hunted that was able, should. More food for the tribe. If everyone did all the roles. That tribe would be better off.


Well, not everyone would be needed to hunt. People would be needed to repair their village, prepare food, gather herbs/prepare them, watch kids, make weapons/tools, make clothes and guard the village or patrol. Only the better hunters would need to go hunt. A woman could do any of those tasks including fighting or hunting but would a woman honestly want to hunt or fight? It would be a handful at most. So I believe it's fine that the main protagonist of horizon is female but it would be rare none the less.

Males of any species are typically better suited physically and mentally (largely because of hormones/nature) for violence/protecting/fighting.  Also they are mentally conditioned for it. Both females and males hunt around the same depending on species.



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EpicLight on 30 June 2015

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HoloDust on 30 June 2015
SuperNova said:
HoloDust said:
Teeqoz said:
Samus Aran said:
Horizon felt forced indeed.

During pre-history females usually collected fruit, vegetables, etc. while the men hunted.


Horizon isn't set in pre-history. It's set in post-history, and to me it doesn't seem likely that societal norms like that would move backwards just because we lose our technology.

Technology is precisely what is allowing for modern societal norms, since it generates abundance of resources. Remove that, and even in best case post-apocalyptic scenario you will have common sense of who is most important for procreation winning over any other argument.

In post-historic world like Horizon's, no sane tribe leader would risk many women when there are men at disposal for hunting - people seem to forget that males can't give birth to new tribe members, females can, hence it's vital to keep them alive and healthy. On that, add the fact that on average men are stronger and when it comes to hunting with primitive weapons that counts a lot.

IMO, it really doesn't have anytihing to do with 'eqaulity' or 'oppression', it's just common sense, hence why it would be expected that most, if not all, hunters in Horizon are men. But I'm eager to see how they've set up that world and main heroine's background.

See my post further above. What you say might hold some merit, or logic to it, but pre-history didn't really follow it.

There's evidence of pre-historic women hunting along with the males. I don't see why post-historic ones wouldn't.

Although your weapon argument would be quite good if the weapons were the deciding factor in the hunt. At least most pre-historc tribes likely simply outrun their prey in long distance. As in, they chased them at a steady pace until the weakest of the herd collapsed and then killed them when they were already down. (Or they herded them into a ravine native american style) This is what humans are evolved to do, were likely the best long distance runners in the animal kingdom.

As for the post historic ones, they seem to have some technology to their weapons so they might be evolved enough that drawing strengh for example is not as vital as general flexibility, or fast reflexes.

Yeah, I know of those theories, to various degrees they are true, though, generally speaking, in hunter-gatherer societies, men were mostly hunters and women were mostly gatherers, but considering that they were nomadic, hunt was often a whole tribe activity.

Anyway, speaking strictly of Horizon, they're not exactly hunting helpless gazelles, that world seems quite dangerous and their prey has very aggresive and active dinobot guards - as I said, I doubt any sane leader in such a harsh world would risk women for such tasks, just for the sake of equality, but, I'm eager to see what story for that devs have come up with, that is, if any.



DonFerrari on 01 July 2015

Some games a woman makes more sense, some are neutral so no gender based and some are really bullocks since almost all similar cases in real life would involve a man.

Would you make a woman serial killer praying on young men? When in reality you would hardly fins a single case?

Affirmative movements are too bothersome sometimes. How would you feel with a black uk king in middle age? Unless the fiction world have an african country invade and dominate it no sense on having a black king so it isn't prejudice to have he being white, just accuracy. Same with a strong female lead in the middle age arabic countries.

Creators despict themselves or acquaintances a lot of times so if most are white males them you know why the choice.



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Lawlight on 01 July 2015
ohmylanta1003 said:
I liked that the lead in Recore was female. It looked like it fit quite well.


You haven't even seen gameplay. ReCore seems like of those games where they should give you the choice between 3-4 characters. In other words, that they are avatars and not characters.



Lawlight on 01 July 2015

Also, female characters at the moment seem interchangeable - they all follow the same mold. You won't find he diversity in character or personality that male characters demonstrate. And that's simply to avoid controversy.