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Esiar said:

I feel like some games have female leads for the sake of having female leads, and not because they think that should be the direction of the game. Not Tomb Raider, but perhaps something like that Dinosaur Robot game  that was announced at E3. Like to make it more "unique", and like it is breaking gender stererotypes like guys being the hero.

I dunno, it just seems like that to me.

They do it only because they think that should be the direction of the game. It's their game, let them make the choices on who leads it.



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HoloDust said:
SuperNova said:
HoloDust said:
Teeqoz said:
Samus Aran said:
Horizon felt forced indeed.

During pre-history females usually collected fruit, vegetables, etc. while the men hunted.


Horizon isn't set in pre-history. It's set in post-history, and to me it doesn't seem likely that societal norms like that would move backwards just because we lose our technology.

Technology is precisely what is allowing for modern societal norms, since it generates abundance of resources. Remove that, and even in best case post-apocalyptic scenario you will have common sense of who is most important for procreation winning over any other argument.

In post-historic world like Horizon's, no sane tribe leader would risk many women when there are men at disposal for hunting - people seem to forget that males can't give birth to new tribe members, females can, hence it's vital to keep them alive and healthy. On that, add the fact that on average men are stronger and when it comes to hunting with primitive weapons that counts a lot.

IMO, it really doesn't have anytihing to do with 'eqaulity' or 'oppression', it's just common sense, hence why it would be expected that most, if not all, hunters in Horizon are men. But I'm eager to see how they've set up that world and main heroine's background.

See my post further above. What you say might hold some merit, or logic to it, but pre-history didn't really follow it.

There's evidence of pre-historic women hunting along with the males. I don't see why post-historic ones wouldn't.

Although your weapon argument would be quite good if the weapons were the deciding factor in the hunt. At least most pre-historc tribes likely simply outrun their prey in long distance. As in, they chased them at a steady pace until the weakest of the herd collapsed and then killed them when they were already down. (Or they herded them into a ravine native american style) This is what humans are evolved to do, were likely the best long distance runners in the animal kingdom.

As for the post historic ones, they seem to have some technology to their weapons so they might be evolved enough that drawing strengh for example is not as vital as general flexibility, or fast reflexes.

Yeah, I know of those theories, to various degrees they are true, though, generally speaking, in hunter-gatherer societies, men were mostly hunters and women were mostly gatherers, but considering that they were nomadic, hunt was often a whole tribe activity.

Anyway, speaking strictly of Horizon, they're not exactly hunting helpless gazelles, that world seems quite dangerous and their prey has very aggresive and active dinobot guards - as I said, I doubt any sane leader in such a harsh world would risk women for such tasks, just for the sake of equality, but, I'm eager to see what story for that devs have come up with, that is, if any.

The mentality that men are expendable continues.



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And left wingers normally don't bother with logic. Soon enough they will demand women and men in cross gender sports and with both on same power level.

People forget that you may need 1 man and 100 women to repopulate a place the reverse wouldn't work. That is enough to justify men taking risk and women being protected for the time humanity couldn't just be carefree and gender babling as today.



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Lawlight said:
ohmylanta1003 said:
I liked that the lead in Recore was female. It looked like it fit quite well.


You haven't even seen gameplay. ReCore seems like of those games where they should give you the choice between 3-4 characters. In other words, that they are avatars and not characters.


I get the exact opposite feeling. To me, it seems painfully obvious that she will be the main character and there will not be customization involved (except for MP (if they have it)).



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archer9234 said:
HoloDust said:
SuperNova said:

See my post further above. What you say might hold some merit, or logic to it, but pre-history didn't really follow it.

There's evidence of pre-historic women hunting along with the males. I don't see why post-historic ones wouldn't.

Although your weapon argument would be quite good if the weapons were the deciding factor in the hunt. At least most pre-historc tribes likely simply outrun their prey in long distance. As in, they chased them at a steady pace until the weakest of the herd collapsed and then killed them when they were already down. (Or they herded them into a ravine native american style) This is what humans are evolved to do, were likely the best long distance runners in the animal kingdom.

As for the post historic ones, they seem to have some technology to their weapons so they might be evolved enough that drawing strengh for example is not as vital as general flexibility, or fast reflexes.

Yeah, I know of those theories, to various degrees they are true, though, generally speaking, in hunter-gatherer societies, men were mostly hunters and women were mostly gatherers, but considering that they were nomadic, hunt was often a whole tribe activity.

Anyway, speaking strictly of Horizon, they're not exactly hunting helpless gazelles, that world seems quite dangerous and their prey has very aggresive and active dinobot guards - as I said, I doubt any sane leader in such a harsh world would risk women for such tasks, just for the sake of equality, but, I'm eager to see what story for that devs have come up with, that is, if any.

The mentality that men are expendable continues.

I'd say just another type of resource for rulers - males die in wars, females are treated as breeding vessels. It might not be so cold and harsh on smaller scale, but it's what it boils down to.

I don't like it as much as any other sucker in last several tens of thousand of years who thought 'why I have to die in the war just cause I'm male', but that's how it was and honestly I don't see it changing, specially in post-apocalyptic world.



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I think Aloy is well-suited to being the protagonist of Horizon. To me it doesn't matter if the protagonist is male or female.



Why does there have to a reason to have a female lead character, but not for male characters?



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Has there been any conformation that that girl in fact is the sole lead in the game? Do we know?

Maybe there has been lots of information about it, but I kinda feel that people are jumping the gun here :)
There might be another lead, you might play the game together with her partner or something.

I've never played a game where the main character ruined it for me, or in any other way prevented me from playing. Tales of Symphonia 2 came close though, because that guy is a whiny little bitch, but he grew up and that made for a powerful story.

Horizon is very interesting.. I really wanna know the story there.



Don't you think it would be boring to have all male? For some games such as Resident Evil and fighting games, when you have a choice of characters it would make sense there would be a female in the game.



Lawlight said:
ohmylanta1003 said:
I liked that the lead in Recore was female. It looked like it fit quite well.


You haven't even seen gameplay. ReCore seems like of those games where they should give you the choice between 3-4 characters. In other words, that they are avatars and not characters.


Now that I think about it, we should bet.



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