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Don't eat Media Propagada people about Greece. They want The New world order! thats means more pοοr people, destroyed the midle class and makes Europe countries United stages From Febuary Tsipras goes In Eurogroup and suggest with proves to save Greece with fair offers from poor people that 8 years now they give everything to ''save Greece''! There one time the lenders say ''ok we agree'' and when they go to final sigh they say ''no cut the money for elders, workres, bigers taxes for midle and poor people''! This happen 5 months now. Some times they sigh in and then chachge the papers to fool Greece Goverment! The finall syggest from Tsipras was biger taxes on Rich businessman and of course they say no, they want again to pay the middle and poor, with more taxes, The Greek media they don't want that too because some big MEDIA businessmans who rule The Greece politicans so many years, they don't want to lose money From one of that media yesterday one reporter say 'Greek people will be crazy if vote "NO i don't want to cut my money and pay biger taxes"!!!!!!! Others reporters say '' I hope lenders be strong against Greece and don't move back" Yes Greek reporters media! Some of them they go to IMF To learn how to say that on people and make it belive!!! The vote from Greek Goverment is only to confirm the desire of Greek people the stop stolen there money that 8 yeras now only take money from them IMF every of those 8 years have say "we make wrong" 'we make wrong about cuting the money from people', of course they make wrong, market is a chain if you cut money from one the others don't have money too, and what make all this years to stop this? More cuts on poor and midle money And of course some idiots belive that and take the money from banks to danger Greece Leave from Euro and they don't understad that is a BIG LIE. If you go out from Euro, Europe Countries will colapse too. 8 Years now wll listen to that ''The Greece Leave the Euro, cut the money from poor if you want to stay'' and guess what? They make only the secondI



 

 

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nanarchy said:
generic-user-1 said:

 

most greeks dont have "money" on the bank left. sure they will lose some money, but nothing they cant survive or that realy hurts.

business will get MORE credits 1 year after a banking crash then without.  the banks are zombies, they cant lend anything as long as they dont default, and they all will default if the government defaults.  a the greek government doesnt need new credits if they stop repay the old.

having a weak currency is realy helpfull if you want your gdp to grow and to export more, and most greek people cant afford importe goods anyway.

inflation isnt that bad, its much fairer than just cutting social benefits and pensions.

a default would help greece in the shortrun, there wouldnt be more pain.

Sorry but no. you don't seem to understand how the financial systems in place work. a default would probably be a great long term outcome, it would be a disasterous short term one. it isn't just people's money that becomes inaccessible. think about all the businesses, they can no longer access money or credit to pay staff. People no longer have money to spend on anything except essentials sending many businesses into a spiral of bankruptcy. Short term would see a massive spike in unemployment as well as crippling financial restrictions on much of the population and a mass excodus of investment (that part is already happening though). Think of the effects of lehman brothers but magnify them as there won't be a government to bail them out.

well i think we have problems with short and long term, i mean 1-5 years with short and 20+  with long term.

 

and your descriptions doesnt sound like anything will change.     and what investment should go on a mass exodus? the millionairs money in switzerland? or the last paycheck of the rest of the greeks?



Greece is f***ed if they default... probably 15years+ of being more poor than they are now.
But it might be the best option if you think 50years ahead.

Its just gonna suck to be a young greek in these times....



nanarchy said:
Not greek but I also think the vote is pathetic cowardice from the government and I feel for the greek people. The Greek government have found themselves unable to deliver on their ridiculous promises and now they want to isolate themselves from responsibility for the decision by passing the buck to the people. If they wanted the people to decide it should have happened months ago not after it is already too late.


Since when is democrazy more cowardness from a goverment?



generic-user-1 said:

 

well i think we have problems with short and long term, i mean 1-5 years with short and 20+  with long term.

 

and your descriptions doesnt sound like anything will change.     and what investment should go on a mass exodus? the millionairs money in switzerland? or the last paycheck of the rest of the greeks?

1-5 years? no you will be looking at 10+ years for the short term and it will be horrible. Greece will sink back into recession compounding the existing problems as government income will rapidly shrink while unemployment and pension costs will continue to rise, the small pre interest surplus currently on the books will turn into a multi billion dollar deficit with no one willing to loan them the money. Inflation will accelerate and a lot of businesses will go broke, add another 10%+ to current unemployment, The pain you see in Greece now is nothing compared to what is likely on the horizon. The sad thing is the members of the greek government are mostly rich and won't be the ones that feel the true pain of the mess created. 



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JRPGfan said:
Greece is f***ed if they default... probably 15years+ of being more poor than they are now.
But it might be the best option if you think 50years ahead.

Its just gonna suck to be a young greek in these times....

more poor than now is hardly possible for the majority of greeks...

and the young greeks have a chance now, they just have to use it and change the state.



I thin they should follow the wise words of Victoria Nuland and just say : F..CK THE EU.



My heart goes out to the Greek people.

They're being made to pay for the mistakes of their past political class, and of the self-centered, short-sighted European politicians who signed economies up to the single currency long before they were ready. Instead of admitting that the last seven years have revealed serious faults with the fundamental organisation of the Eurozone--in which wildly different economies subscribe to the same currency under the same systems--they are punishing generations of Greek citizens for the mistakes of the past European and Greek political classes.

The European Union is meant to stand for prosperity, democracy and social stability, yet its actions, along with that of the IMF, contradict its basic aims. By blackmailing successive Greek governments into submission (see George Papandreou's government which collapsed in 2011) and subscribing to austerity measures that are basically anti-growth and lopsided in favour of banks (particularly French and German banks), the EU are acting against people and in favour of profit. They are attempting to protect the financial sector which caused the global collapse while trying to preserve the fragile monetary union that was badly thought out and poorly implemented.

If Greece goes, the next question isn't a case of if another crack appears in the Eurozone, it's a question of when, and that's what the EU are terrified of. So terrified they're willing to doom millions of Greek/European citizens to years or decades of lost growth, lost opportunity, and social instability. I'm a pro-European Brit, but seeing the high-handed, anti-democratic and single-minded decision making at the heart of the EU's approach to the Greek crisis has made me re-consider whether I'd vote to stay in the EU.

As for the Greek people being given a referendum on this matter, it's the right thing to do, even if it is politically convenient for the Greek government. Ultimately they were elected on a mandate that rejected further austerity measures, and are now being asked to implement more austerity by the IMF and EU. The implementation of austerity contradicts the basis on which the Greek government was elected; they simply don't have a popular mandate to make that decision so it's right to turn things over to the electorate and ask for the populace to confirm the anti-austerity mandate of the current government, or to accept the austerity measures demanded by Greece's creditors.

Ultimately I just wish the best for and to the Greek people. Despite the lack of sympathy across much of the media, not every European citizen feels that way, and I think many more of us will seriously question the European Union if it continues to fail the Greek people.



Maybe the EU should take over and run the government for a few years. Let them figure this out.



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I'm not greek, but the topic is interesting, so i'll participate :D

The problem greek has is that it can't controll it's currency. Europe as a whole has the same currency, and that is a problem to some countrys, because they aren't able to depreciate their currency. But this is a important tool! So maybe it is the best way to leave the Eurozone, go back to Drachmen and have this tool back to work.