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ReimTime on 27 June 2015
GuyWithHighIQ said:

I know I'm going to be called a troll, but I think the obscure truth about this country's history should be known.

The US, since its inception, was founded by white, western Europeans for western Europeans only. It is actually against the Founding Fathers' wishes for any non-white to live here and hold citizenship.

Based on excerpts from the Founding Fathers, one could even argue that it's unconstitutional for non-whites to live in the US. At that point in time when the Constitution was first drafted, it is probable that the Founding Fathers were only referring to white people when they used the term "men".

If you google and look around, Jefferson said that the US would be dominated by whites and that the Native Americans would be displaced.

Even disregarding what the Founding Fathers wanted, I don't even see why you consider non-white immigration a positive, as there is no benefit socially or economically for immigration.

More than not, immigrants cause a drain in public finances, commit more crime, and stagnate wages. Racially homogeneous populations with relatively high IQs are the most conducive for success.

Of course, I don't blame immigrants for wanting to go to countries that they themselves can not build, but my question to them is where they will go once the white people die out and the US turns into a 3rd world country like the country they tried to escape from.

You can not run from your problems. Stay in your own countries and fix your own problems. Don't bother other countries.


I wrote a paper about immigration in Canada if you wanna read it. It might correlate with the US it might not. It has more to do with how the immigrants are treated here but there are some stats about how they affected our country's scoial and economic standings. Care for a link?



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Chris Hu on 27 June 2015
GuyWithHighIQ said:
carl_barx said:
SamuelRSmith said:
 

a) That is a very unsubstantiated graph. Both how deficits and GDP are measured have changed over time. In addition to this, GDP is dramatically higher, thus you can have higher deficits at a lower "percentage of GDP". The point may still be correct, I don't know, but that graph isn't evidence.

b) Yes, they are.

c) The economic crisis of 2008 was bigger than any one President. The housing bubble was a result of loose monetary policy from the Federal Reserve, with cash flowing out of the dotcom bust and into housing. It can be argued that specific policies channeled this flow into housing, from both the Bush and Clinton administrations... however, that bubble would have just formed elsewhere.

There are still bubbles waiting to be popped... tech, cars, stock market, etc. Buckle yourself in, we're in for one wild ride.

the housing bubble had nothing AT ALL to do with the federal reserve or with the dotcom bubble of 2000-01 (the latter is a separate economic recession resulting from speculation on internet startups, and the former has actually helped, through quantitative easing, to keep interest rates down during the recession and encourage investment)... it had to do with deregulation of the banks begun by reagan, continued (unfortunately) by clinton and congressional republicans, and continued even more enthusiastically by george w. bush (all wikipedia, hopefully you don't think they're left-wing...).

as for your catastrophism about the future, i can't really answer to that. you can't safeguard against all risk, but to be honest, it is republican economic policy that caused the great recession for the most part, and i think that needs to be recognized (which, to be fair, you sort of do in your post above).

Unfortunately, you are wrong as well.

Deregulation is irrelevant to this discussion. Banks don't stupidly hand out loans to people who can't possibly pay them back unless they were sponsored and insured by the government, which they were.

The housing bubble was created by entitlement policies spearheaded by the left. Back then, Liberals thought having a big, 6-bedroom house was a 'human right', so they used the government to force banks to give out millions in loans to minimum-wage earners. They assumed that these borrowers would keep the house for 5 or so years and then sell it when the price of the house was much higher thanks to the bubble. Banks, being reasonable, was cautious about such an arrangement, since if the bubble popped, those who are currently waiting for their housing values to appreciate would be in the red.

The government assured the banks that if the bubble did pop, the government would cover their outstanding balances. This was the green-light the banks needed to make reckless loans. Think about it. They're already making huge profits from the housing bubble, and if the bubble does pop, the government would bail them out. It's a win-win situation for them.

The housing market collapse was the result of government interference in the housing market.

I don't know what world you live in but in the real world nobody that makes minum-wage or even slightly more then minum-wage gets aproved for any kind of housing loan unless you're talking about a one room shack.



GuyWithHighIQ on 27 June 2015
Chris Hu said:
GuyWithHighIQ said:







Racially homogeneous populations with relatively high IQs are the most conducive for success.

 

 


Not really since Japan has more finacial problems then the US and as far as having a homogeneus population goes you can't get more homogeneous then Japan they hardly have any ethnic or racial minorities and very few immigrants.  As a matter of fact most countries that have a very homogeneous populations are screwed in the long run since they all have declining populations. 

Japan's situation would be worse if they had the same amount of unproductive minorities as we do. Racial homogeneity doesn't guarantee success, but it is the best option available for any country of high IQ people.

Of course, countries with lower IQs benefit from having higher IQ people.

Also, declining populations shouldn't be a concern for the average person, unless you're a big business owner who's scared of rising wages. What's more important is GDP Per Capita. The ones pushing for more immigration are big businesses who are looking to suppress wages. 

There's also another side of the immigration issue that you aren't taking into account: Not all races have the same productivity, even under similar environments. This is just a statistical fact. What's worrying is the people replacing white people in the US, Canada and western EU don't have the same productivity as white people. 



GuyWithHighIQ on 27 June 2015
Chris Hu said:

I don't know what world you live in but in the real world nobody that makes minum-wage or even slightly more then minum-wage gets aproved for any kind of housing loan unless you're talking about a one room shack.

You are talking about the present after the banks and the government got caught red-handed trying to fleece the entire country. Now that the banks got their bail-out, they no longer give out loans recklessly. They'll play nice for a couple more years until they get a good pro-big government puppet in power to help them scam the country again.

Ever wonder why almost all billionaires, wall st banks and giant companies are leftwing? Because big companies love big government. It's a shame most of the average person voting for Liberals can't or don't see this. Anything the libs push is to support big businesses, not the average person. Even in platforms where you think the Democrats are in it for the 'little guy', there's actually an alterior, pro-big business reason for it. Higher income taxes, for example, is just one policy where the Democrats are looking to support their billionaire sponsors. Billionaires don't pay income taxes, but their small business competitors that file as individuals do. Of course, the Democrats and the leftwing media never tell us that Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, 2 of the biggest people pushing for high income taxes, don't pay income taxes.



BraveNewWorld on 27 June 2015

Obama may be the worst President in United States history. The Trans Pacific Partnership will destroy the world as we know it. It's no coincidence that gay marriage and the anti-Confederate battle flag rhetoric hit at the same time TPP is being voted upon. It was planned to go down at this time while Liberals, the majority of the population, are celebrating a gay rights 'victory' and banning a flag.

http://obamatrade.com/why-no-tpp/



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GuyWithHighIQ on 27 June 2015
BraveNewWorld said:
Obama may be the worst President in United States history. The Trans Pacific Partnership will destroy the world as we know it. It's no coincidence that gay marriage and the anti-Confederate battle flag rhetoric hit at the same time TPP is being voted upon. It was planned to go down at this time while Liberals, the majority of the population, are celebrating a gay rights 'victory' and banning a flag.

http://obamatrade.com/why-no-tpp/


We can be sure laxer non-white immigration policy is included in the TPP. Those big businesses need their ample supply of eager low-wage workers.

Real wages have stayed stagnant in the west thanks to non-white immigration.



Lawlight on 27 June 2015

What would an immigration reform mean? Do you want to make it easier for people to migrate to the US?



GuyWithHighIQ on 27 June 2015
Lawlight said:
What would an immigration reform mean? Do you want to make it easier for people to migrate to the US?

Big corporations want to make it easier for non-whites to migrate to the US, which would suppress wages and keep their bottom lines high.



Chris Hu on 27 June 2015
GuyWithHighIQ said:
Chris Hu said:

I don't know what world you live in but in the real world nobody that makes minum-wage or even slightly more then minum-wage gets aproved for any kind of housing loan unless you're talking about a one room shack.

You are talking about the present after the banks and the government got caught red-handed trying to fleece the entire country. Now that the banks got their bail-out, they no longer give out loans recklessly. They'll play nice for a couple more years until they get a good pro-big government puppet in power to help them scam the country again.

Ever wonder why almost all billionaires, wall st banks and giant companies are leftwing? Because big companies love big government. It's a shame most of the average person voting for Liberals can't or don't see this. Anything the libs push is to support big businesses, not the average person. Even in platforms where you think the Democrats are in it for the 'little guy', there's actually an alterior, pro-big business reason for it. Higher income taxes, for example, is just one policy where the Democrats are looking to support their billionaire sponsors. Billionaires don't pay income taxes, but their small business competitors that file as individuals do. Of course, the Democrats and the leftwing media never tell us that Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, 2 of the biggest people pushing for high income taxes, don't pay income taxes.

I hate to burst your bubble but pretty much all politicans are in favor of big business no matter what party they belong to.  But that is besides the point since what I said in the first place still is the truth no one that makes minium wage or even slightly more then minum wage ever gets approved for any kind of a substantial loan be that housing or otherwise.  Maybe in your dream world they do, but not in the real world. 



GuyWithHighIQ on 27 June 2015
Chris Hu said:
GuyWithHighIQ said:
Chris Hu said:

I don't know what world you live in but in the real world nobody that makes minum-wage or even slightly more then minum-wage gets aproved for any kind of housing loan unless you're talking about a one room shack.

You are talking about the present after the banks and the government got caught red-handed trying to fleece the entire country. Now that the banks got their bail-out, they no longer give out loans recklessly. They'll play nice for a couple more years until they get a good pro-big government puppet in power to help them scam the country again.

Ever wonder why almost all billionaires, wall st banks and giant companies are leftwing? Because big companies love big government. It's a shame most of the average person voting for Liberals can't or don't see this. Anything the libs push is to support big businesses, not the average person. Even in platforms where you think the Democrats are in it for the 'little guy', there's actually an alterior, pro-big business reason for it. Higher income taxes, for example, is just one policy where the Democrats are looking to support their billionaire sponsors. Billionaires don't pay income taxes, but their small business competitors that file as individuals do. Of course, the Democrats and the leftwing media never tell us that Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, 2 of the biggest people pushing for high income taxes, don't pay income taxes.

I hate to burst your bubble but pretty much all politicans are in favor of big business no matter what party they belong to.  But that is besides the point since what I said in the first place still is the truth no one that makes minium wage or even slightly more then minum wage ever gets approved for any kind of a substantial loan be that housing or otherwise.  Maybe in your dream world they do, but not in the real world. 

It is a fact that banks were giving out million-dollar loans to minimum-wage earners and even unemployed people during the housing bubble. I suggest you look up affirmative action loans.