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JNK said:
Pavolink said:

This won't sell better than a real FIFA:

 


ok i totally forgot about this version of fifa on the wii and its a good point that my idea might not be working, i have to admit.

But you should also consider that fifa isnt a rated m game and even the normal fifa can be played by everyone (assassins creed as example is fsk 16 in my country = you need to be 16) and the wiimote controls are very bad for games like fifa.

But i have to admit that this is pretty much my idea.

 

I also checked sales and did some math:

Fifa 08 sold around 1m copies on wii.

Fifa 08 sold 1,75m copies om ps3

 

I dont know about the installed hw base of both but ps3 was clearly alot smaller as wii in 2007.

 

On the other hand, the game call of duty always looked realistic on both consoles.

Call of duty modern warfare (2007) sold 6,5 mio units on ps3 and world at war (2008) sold 2 Mio units [no cod in 2007 for wii].

 

So the realistic cod sold compared to ps3 sales worse on wii as fifa which featured cartoony looking graphics.

 

Hope thats understandable^^

For sure I understand. But that's what I'm talking about. Your actions will work maybe if third parties decide to invest, but they are not going to do.



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There is no solution. WiiU customer base is comprised of two types of people: people who also have another console to play 3rd party games, and people who don't play 3rd party games.
Nintendo has successfully marketed all its consoles as child/family friendly, and with exception of a select few adult fans that keep supporting it, managed to paint itself into a corner once that child/family market moved away from TV-based gaming toward portability.
I doubt that Nintendo is willing to switch gears and start marketing to adults, and thus will never attract 3rd party AAA support.



Burek said:
There is no solution. WiiU customer base is comprised of two types of people: people who also have another console to play 3rd party games, and people who don't play 3rd party games.
Nintendo has successfully marketed all its consoles as child/family friendly, and with exception of a select few adult fans that keep supporting it, managed to paint itself into a corner once that child/family market moved away from TV-based gaming toward portability.
I doubt that Nintendo is willing to switch gears and start marketing to adults, and thus will never attract 3rd party AAA support.

yeah thats pretty much the "problem" i wanted to solve.

Make the AAA titles attractive for the family/kids audience which is on wii u. 



Pavolink said:

For sure I understand. But that's what I'm talking about. Your actions will work maybe if third parties decide to invest, but they are not going to do.

Yeah i doubt that either and i also think that companies like ea/ubisoft and co did already got "my idea" as well and decided to not try it. Like you said, fifa already did it, so its not even relly my idea.

But maybe they will try this anytime in the future and if it would work (what is very likely in my opinion) they may keep doing it.

Games like Raymen legends sold as good on wii u as on other consoles. The wii u "problem" is just that most adult gamers that do own the system do have a other and "better" console and the children who just got a wii u dont play the AAA games because they are to young. A 2m+ children fanbase of assassins creed would 100% be worth the extra development. Just seems like third partys dont want to take that risk and Nintendo seems like they didnt even really care about third partys^^



they should work more with indies and smaller 3rd partys and get gams with the wiiu as lead plattform.
quality sales on the wiiu, not AAA marketing. shovel knight sold realy well on the wii u, same goes for trine.
those games were better than what most AAA devs can do.

nintendo should have a guy somewhere browsing the steam indie forums for games that could work on the wiiu. i think a quick call, some help( first 30k copys are free or something like that) and they should have a deal. the wii u market is much closer to steam than to psone.



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No.

The market simply isn't there. Sure there are those like me who buy plenty of 3rd party games, but those who largely own a WiiU are Nintendo fans who are happy with Nintendo only software. By now they also own another console or PC for 3rd party should they really want it.

The rest of the mass populace is largely not jumping to WiiU and certainly not with the expectation that they'll play 3rd party titles.

Nintendo needs to move on NX should they want to increase market share.



People who want third party games are very happy with their Playstations and XBoxs. There isn't really a need in the market for a third console that does the exact same thing, except for a small group of Nintendo fans that want the same thing plus Nintendo games.

Nintendo needed to have fought harder against Sony/MS in the past to not allow them to have become so entrenched in their market positions.

Since it's too late to change it now, Nintendo may as well try to make NX very unique/different. It's their only play left now.

Maybe they can sign a deal with a couple of the bigger publishers to ensure support for a little while. I'd target Square-Enix and EA. Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts, FIFA, Madden NFL, NHL, Star Wars ... would at least be a decent mix of third party content even if literally no one else supported the machine but Capcom with Monster Hunter and the regular 3DS support.



JNK said:
Burek said:
There is no solution. WiiU customer base is comprised of two types of people: people who also have another console to play 3rd party games, and people who don't play 3rd party games.
Nintendo has successfully marketed all its consoles as child/family friendly, and with exception of a select few adult fans that keep supporting it, managed to paint itself into a corner once that child/family market moved away from TV-based gaming toward portability.
I doubt that Nintendo is willing to switch gears and start marketing to adults, and thus will never attract 3rd party AAA support.

yeah thats pretty much the "problem" i wanted to solve.

Make the AAA titles attractive for the family/kids audience which is on wii u. 

So what do you want? That after cell-shaded Altair slits an enemies's throat instead of blood he will bleed rainbows and candy?



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

I bet most Wii U owners would jump in to buy a Japanese third party game, instead of a Western one.

MH3 = Best selling third party game besides Hyrule Warriors (come on) and Zombi U's unprofitable ass.

I wouldn't blame them though, I'd rather go for a nice Tekken port instead of a broken Splinter Cell.



Kuksenkov said:
I bet most Wii U owners would jump in to buy a Japanese third party game, instead of a Western one.

MH3 = Best selling third party game besides Hyrule Warriors (come on) and Zombi U's unprofitable ass.

I wouldn't blame them though, I'd rather go for a nice Tekken port instead of a broken Splinter Cell.

This. Eastern developers have been the ones supporting Nintendo the most since the beggining of the gen. I hope that, by the time the NX releases, Ninteno has reinforced their relations with eastern 3rd parties and indies so they can have a decent first year lineup.



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