Mr Puggsly said:
MoHasanie said:
Well I can't disagree with any of your arguments.
The $499 had Kinect with it but the $349 one comes with a free game in most places (MCC or AC Unity).
Its worth a lot but it hardly makes a profit. If I was a big shareholder, I'd want Microsoft to stop making consoles. They can continue making games but should stopping making hardware.
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As far as I'm aware the X1, PS4, and WIi U come with games. I can get a PS4 right now for $399 with Batman:AK. Before that PS4 came with Last of Us. People mock X1 for throwing free games in, but free games with a PS4 seems to be ignored.
Xbox doesn't make a significant profit on its own. But you have to also consider the audience it has brought to MS and services MS has pushed on them. The reason people use MS's streaming video and music services is because of Xbox. Fans of Xbox are probably more likely to buy other MS products as well. The Xbox brand has made millions and millions of people care about MS products.
People consider X1 a failure yet it still may sell more units than a SNES (that was a popular machine, right?). Their investments in the Xbox brand don't just die with the consoles, MS can push those IPs on other products like Windows, mobile devices, Hololens, etc. So again, Xbox has been a worthwhile endeavor.
Why should MS stop making hardware? They have tons of money, they can take plenty of risks. I say MS should keep closing the gap of what is a game console versus PC. Bringing WIndows 10 to X1 is more of that.
Also, the industry doesn't benefit from MS leaving console gaming. An industry with only Sony pushing a core console is boring. More importantly, there wouldn't be much incentive for Sony to stay competitive. Prices would be higher, less money invested in IPs, less free games, etc. PS3 is what happened when Sony wasn't afraid of competition. X1 changed for the better because of competition.
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Wow, I didn't even know the PS4 was giving a free game too. Interesting.
Microsoft's music and video streaming services aren't that popular. I think they've changed the name a couple of times and now its called Xbox music. I don't know anyone that uses Xbox Video or Xbox music. Do you?
Millions isn't much for Microsoft. There are probably billions of people that rely on Microsoft products.
I don't think X1 is a failure. As long as its profitable in the end, that's the most important thing. The only failure this gen is the Wii U.
I don't think Xbox has been worthwile. The first Xbox lost billions and never recovered its losses. The 360 became profitable towards the end of its life, and must have recovered its early losses (which were huge), but overall, the 360 wasn't that profitable if you compare it to the Wii or PS2.
Because MS does software best. All the hardware they make hasn't been that profitable. Xbox does ok, but those surface tablets lose money. The Nokia phone division was another odd purchase for MS.
I agree that competition is great. But the console industry is dying. We are probably looking at the second last gen of consoles. And Xbox can't win against a competitive Playstation. Plus the console market has become too small for 3 companies.