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ethomaz said:

Hynad said:

Witcher 2 was produced with 12M...

I through it was more...


In fact, it was 10.3.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Witcher-2-Cost-10-3-Million-Make-58698.html

The second game, not the third one. ;)



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Legend11 said:
Sony seems to have no problems coming up with money for the new BFF the generation, Activision, so why can't they give some real money to a developer that actually needs it? They already milked the game at E3 with some gamers declaring Sony won E3 because of this announcement, they owe him something for that kind of perception.

It's "For the gamers" not "F*ck the gamers". It's really sad how quickly the old Sony seems to be rearing its ugly head again after how good they were with PS3 gamers. I'm actually glad that Xbox One is struggling because you can actually see the good changes that a humbled Microsoft has brought to that platform.


Obviously, this wasn't enough to humble you.  That's assuming you are corrent, which you aren't.  That's because you have not changed from past gen to now.



BlueSlippySocks said:
Ah, so that means it's also going to be on Xbox One and Wii U, right? since Sony has nothing to do with it, right? just promoting it, right? Cool.


I hope so. That would be awesome if it was everywhere instead of one place.



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Hynad said:
Lawlight said:


If that's true then I don't have much hope for this game. There is no way to make an open world game for the amount of money they'll get from Shenmue.


Witcher 2 was produced with 12M...

But as others have said, Ys Net has secured other funds from other sources, and the 10M is basically what's missing for Yu Suzuki to have enough money to make the game the way he envisioned it. People saying companies should just write a blank check to Ys Net so he can make his game have really no idea how businesses work. xD

1. The Witcher 2 was made in some poor Eastern European country.

2. The Witcher 2 was developed 5 years ago.

3. The Witcher 2 is nowhere near the scope of Shenmue.

Funding from other sources? I'd like to believe that he's getting $30M+ elsewhere.



Lawlight said:
Hynad said:


Witcher 2 was produced with 12M...

But as others have said, Ys Net has secured other funds from other sources, and the 10M is basically what's missing for Yu Suzuki to have enough money to make the game the way he envisioned it. People saying companies should just write a blank check to Ys Net so he can make his game have really no idea how businesses work. xD

1. The Witcher 2 was made in some poor Eastern European country.

2. The Witcher 2 was developed 5 years ago.

3. The Witcher 2 is nowhere near the scope of Shenmue.

Funding from other sources? I'd like to believe that he's getting $30M+ elsewhere.

1. Big deal. For Shenmue 3, Yu Suzuki has access to assets from the first games, and the planning stages of the project has already been handled. Parts of Shenmue 3 were already made by the time the project was canned by Sega in the early 2000s. This will save a lot of money.

2: The original Shenmue game used technology that didn't exist elsewhere at the time. A lot of money went into developing that new tech.  Shenmue 2 didn't cost as much to develop despite being a bigger world. And Shenmue 3 won't either.

3. You know nothing about the scope of Shenmue 3. For example, Yu Suzuki said that he doesn't want to make Shenmue 3 bigger than Shenmue 2. He wants to make it deeper, and focus on characters more than on the scope of its landcapes and cities.

Considering the technical difficulties of making the first two games are pretty much taken cared of by using the U4 engine, the funds required to develop a game similar to the first two games is greatly reduced by today's standards. But the main point to take away here is that Yu Suzuki knows how much money is required for his team to make this possible better than an armchair expert like you. ^_-



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I dont really care where they are getting their money.

MS and Nintendo both could have paid for the game, but obviously did not before Sony. People have been asking for this sequel for a decade so they definately had a loooong window of oppoturnity to JUST DO IT! MAKE EVERYBODYS DREAMS COME TRUE!!!

but I suppose Microsoft don't really care about Japanese games and Nintendo likes to just stick to their own games, and Sony lazily took the oppoturnity so meh.

I got to say, I find this the silliest gaming scandal for a while. I'm not putting a single cent on the game until it releases myself. I just don't trust pre-order/Early Access/Kickstarter-projects until they have launched. Usually something is broken or everything these days.



Hynad said:
Lawlight said:

1. The Witcher 2 was made in some poor Eastern European country.

2. The Witcher 2 was developed 5 years ago.

3. The Witcher 2 is nowhere near the scope of Shenmue.

Funding from other sources? I'd like to believe that he's getting $30M+ elsewhere.

1. Big deal. For Shenmue 3, Yu Suzuki has access to assets from the first games, and the planning stages of the project has already been handled. Parts of Shenmue 3 were already made by the time the project was canned by Sega in the early 2000s. This will save a lot of money.

2: The original Shenmue game used technology that didn't exist elsewhere at the time. A lot of money went into developing that new tech.  Shenmue 2 didn't cost as much to develop despite being a bigger world. And Shenmue 3 won't either.

3. You know nothing about the scope of Shenmue 3. For example, Yu Suzuki said that he doesn't want to make Shenmue 3 bigger than Shenmue 2. He wants to make it deeper, and focus on characters more than on the scope of its landcapes and cities.

Considering the technical difficulties of making the first two games are pretty much taken cared of by using the U4 engine, the funds required to develop a game similar to the first two games is greatly reduced by today's standards. But the main point to take away here is that Yu Suzuki knows how much money is required for his team to make this possible better than an armchair expert like you. ^_-


1. Yeah, big deal. Developers get paid much more in developed countries. And I'm sure assets that was Sega made and own/owned back in the early 2000s will cut t 10-15 years later.

2. How much did Shenmue 2 cost? And source please.

3. So, Shenmue 3 is going to be a smaller game? I wasn't expecting anything less - they won't have the money to make it a true Shenmue game.

However you want to put it, making it an open world game in this day and age won't be cheap.



Azerth said:
Ya but sony is helping fund it so why cant they hust give them 10mil to get the open world stuff

no they are not gonna help to fund it, where does it say that?



Surely the issue was NEVER that people thought this kickstarter was meant to fund better coffee or w/e at Sony. Right? That's absurd o.O

It was shady to put a kickstarter at E3, it was shady to beg the hardcore crazy fans to spend so much money years in advance (money that they knew would come crashing in the moment they opened the kickstarter). It was shady that Sony didn't just outright fund them, having them on stage for E3 was enough.

But we all knew the money still went to the game, right? The previous ones had budgets of 90M dollars or something. They need every cent they can get to realize this game.

(And it might not be that good when it comes out.. It'll be very hard to live up to the hype, just sayin'. Good luck though, would be nice to have a new Shenmue game, that is pretty cool)



Lawlight said:

1. The Witcher 2 was made in some poor Eastern European country.

2. The Witcher 2 was developed 5 years ago.

3. The Witcher 2 is nowhere near the scope of Shenmue.

Funding from other sources? I'd like to believe that he's getting $30M+ elsewhere.


Witcher 2 is nowhere near the scope of Shenmue? I love Shenmue as much as anyone but Witcher 2 definitely atleast equals shenmue 1 and 2 in size and scope. So much so that there is entire areas in the 2nd and 3rd act of the game that people will barely see depending on the choices they make throughout the game which shows just how much scope the game has.