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small44 said:
Soundwave said:


They could have beat Microsoft this gen with a similarily speced console and wise use of a year long headstart. 

Besides Nintendo made far more money than MS + Sony combined last generation, in fact I'm pretty sure they made more money last generation than MS + Sony combined in all their years in the business. 


No console can survive without third party support


They would have third party ports if their console was similarily specced to the other two (making ports easy) and they had taken better advantage of a year headstart, because then they would be no.2 in userbase right now and third parties couldn't afford to look off them. 



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I think Nintendo does not have the image to appeal to the majotity of the bro gaming audience. Their games are seen as too kiddy for them. This means that in the current situation they have no hope of capturing a good part of that segment.
This leaves them with fans and casuals. They lost the casuals after the Wii. The casuals are the most difficult segment to appeal to because they come and go with the trends. To apeal to them also ususlly mean to lose appeal to the core fans, wich means both audiences are almost mutually exclusive.
With the premature abandonment of the Wii U, the core fan segment will be taking a hit, so i think the conclusion is obvious: Nintendo is going to try and appeal to the casual market again. Its always a gamble, but its the only choice they have now.



Nem said:

I think Nintendo does not have the image to appeal to the majotity of the bro gaming audience. Their games are seen as too kiddy for them. This means that in the current situation they have no hope of capturing a good part of that segment.
This leaves them with fans and casuals. They lost the casuals after the Wii. The casuals are the most difficult segment to appeal to because they come and go with the trends. To apeal to them also ususlly mean to lose appeal to the core fans, wich means both audiences are almost mutually exclusive.
With the premature abandonment of the Wii U, the core fan segment will be taking a hit, so i think the conclusion is obvious: Nintendo is going to try and appeal to the casual market again. Its always a gamble, but its the only choice they have now.


Yeah. I dunno, that's going to be tough though, because casuals didn't just move on from the Wii, they've gotten very comfortable with $1 or even free games.

Once you give someone something for free basically, it's very, very hard to then ask them to pay money for those things. 

They're going to need a miracle new type of controller to have that work too, it can't just be "well here's another motion controller that lets you play bowling". That's old hat now, casuals won't be impressed by that anymore. 

I don't know if Nintendo's goal really even is to try and "win" the console race so much as it is to just remain profitable at this point. 



invetedlotus123 said:
I see nintendo is in a very apple 90`s situation. Seeing how giants like Nokia falled and an undead company made a comeback and now is the world richest company makes me believe anything in the business world is possible, if you have the right strategy.

Nintendo main mistake with Wii U was trying to make ANOTHER revolution in a short time span. Had the Wii U went the way of incremental evolution and it would be selling at least better, many people didn`t get the tablet controller and it needs to be used to be appealing, while the wiimote was exciting just to watch.

They should have done improvements in motion tracking technology and a huge hardware leap, not making a strange controller and just matching ps3/x360 when it was too late. Trying to go the tablet form was a mistake.

If NX is something like a shitty tablet, or has a shitty tablet controller, it will suck hard. I think if they go to the route of a iOS like and just scaling games through the hardwares it will bomb hard, make just a damn, good console with outstanding motion controllers and hardware to match the other 2, or even go for pushing graphics.

I believe they can make a huge comeback, but they need to stop with this strategy of loosers " oh, we dont compete", " oh, we have our fans, lets make a console for them", GO FOR THE GUTS OF THE COMPETITORS, FOR GODAMN SAKE!


Difference is Apple is american and nokia is finish. Do you really think a finish or canadian (blackberry) company could dominate the smartphone market like android and apple are? Anything isnt possible. 

Apple was hyped up by US media and europeans followed that trend and other conspiricys happened at the time for sure, apple didnt innovate anything. Even in the console market the US cant except none americans rule thats why xbox exist in the first place.



Ruler said:
invetedlotus123 said:
I see nintendo is in a very apple 90`s situation. Seeing how giants like Nokia falled and an undead company made a comeback and now is the world richest company makes me believe anything in the business world is possible, if you have the right strategy.

Nintendo main mistake with Wii U was trying to make ANOTHER revolution in a short time span. Had the Wii U went the way of incremental evolution and it would be selling at least better, many people didn`t get the tablet controller and it needs to be used to be appealing, while the wiimote was exciting just to watch.

They should have done improvements in motion tracking technology and a huge hardware leap, not making a strange controller and just matching ps3/x360 when it was too late. Trying to go the tablet form was a mistake.

If NX is something like a shitty tablet, or has a shitty tablet controller, it will suck hard. I think if they go to the route of a iOS like and just scaling games through the hardwares it will bomb hard, make just a damn, good console with outstanding motion controllers and hardware to match the other 2, or even go for pushing graphics.

I believe they can make a huge comeback, but they need to stop with this strategy of loosers " oh, we dont compete", " oh, we have our fans, lets make a console for them", GO FOR THE GUTS OF THE COMPETITORS, FOR GODAMN SAKE!


Difference is Apple is american and nokia is finish. Do you really think a finish or canadian (blackberry) company could dominate the smartphone market like android and apple are? Anything isnt possible. 

Apple was hyped up by US media and europeans followed that trend and other conspiricys happened at the time for sure, apple didnt innovate anything. Even in the console market the US cant except none americans rule thats why xbox exist in the first place.


Apple did revolutionize with the first iPhone, and than with the iPad, they`re products arent innovative anymore but they still at least great compared to other models. The iPod wasn`t the first mp3 player, but was the best of them at the time, and they made iTunes, wich was a revolution in how to buy music. The iPhone may have not been the first smartphone, but was the first good and accessible ( in a point of usability) for the great public. Look like how phone designs were 2 years before and 2 years after, and look at the post-pc revolution that followed.

Nokia mistake was, like every other phone maker at the time, to ignore the iPhone and not responding properly when there was still time.

For nintendo, they made a huge comeback with the Wii after two failures in home consoles, and made the DS, wich went to be the best selling handheld of all time. They still can get it right,  if they just stop trying to make a revolution and just a really good console with really good games from first-party and specs that making porting easier to get third-parties, it will do just great, may not dominante, but won`t bleed money.

 

For the comment that there needs to be US consoles and products for US publics, it just no the case. The best selling console of all time is ps2, and there were the xbox already at the time. They buy loads of cars made from eastern automakers, the second biggest phone seller is korean, the best selling console today is japanese, the best selling last gen was also japanese, best selling tv brands are eastern and go on...



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RubberWhistleHistle said:
MohammadBadir said:
The investors go crazy whenever they take losses, and for good reason. Gaming is Nintendo's only business, and when they lose money through gaming, the entire company suffers, whereas in Sony/MS's case gaming is only a small part that doesn't affect the company as a whole.


lol i dont know if gaming is really just a small part of sony's business anymore


A few years back, maybe. They've been trimming back their electronics and they primarily make games, movies, and sell life insurance.




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I think it is less "unable to" as opposed to " realizes it's completely pointless to".



GameCube was traditional console and even was worst selling Nintendo console at that point, it made profit for Nintendo.



This is more about image, pedigree and connection than sheer funds. The modern core market is just not somewhere Nintendo would perform very well; they have done their own thing since the beginning and suddenly changing that won't make a difference, they would likely have perished already if they applied this mindset in the 90's.
Surviving on niche customers is better than being eaten alive competing for the mainstream, the market quite simply can't accomodate three consoles targeting the exact same group and someone would have to go, it is no huge mystery who would most likely go under first under these conditions.



End of 2016 hardware sales:

Wii U: 15 million. PS4: 54 million. One: 30 million. 3DS: 64.8 million. PSVita: 15.2 million.

I'm pretty sure that they can afford it.

Problem is is that they don't really have the core audience of gamers, nor the good relations with third parties that would make a powerful platform worth it anymore.