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Ruler on 21 June 2015

Hey lets hope it doesnt end like this



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thismeintiel on 21 June 2015
MDMAlliance said:
thismeintiel said:

You guys really need to stop with the "stop discounting the Wii when looking at Nintendo's future" talk.  It's not happening, again. Not for Nintendo.  Not for Sony.  Not for MS.  The Wii was an anamoly.  A console that was bought mostly by people not usually interested in gaming, or as a 2nd console.  The 1st crowd has mostly moved on to smartphones/tablets.  The Wii U was an attempt to tap into that crowd, again, and proof it isn't happening.

From now on, Nintendo is going to have to tap into the core market.  One that Sony, as long as they don't make a mistake, seem to have on lock.  And one that MS seems to also be able to garner a sizable following from.  If Nintendo is going to try and bring in more casuals, they'll need to focus on handheld gaming next gen.

 

So basically you understand the market better than anyone else, right?  Just because someone has an explanation of why something happened and it looks like it makes sense, doesn't really mean it's actually true.  If it really were as easy as you make it seem, no one would have trouble selling product.  Saying it wont happen again just tells everyone that you're arrogant.  It lets everyone know that you think your opinion is above everyone elses (because predictions are not fact).  

Also, you have no idea if the Wii was an "anamoly" or not.  There isn't a big enough sample size for anyone to say if the trend seen warrants that the Wii was the odd one out.  People just say it because there's no other data to look at.  Sure there's reason to think that it may trend downward further, but the fact that the Wii is there shows that there's reason to doubt too. 

I guess I understand the market better than most Nintendo fans, when it comes to the home console market.  Even after it was revealed that the Wii U would be following the same strategy as the Wii U (slightly more powerful then the power leader last gen, cheapest console, and gimmicky controls), I saw it failing where Nintendo fans saw success.  And when they predicted the PS4 and XBO would struggle because the Wii U was, I knew it wouldn't be the case.

I'm not claiming to be some awesome predictor, cause I'm not, but there are some things that are set in stone and/or common sense.  One of those being that the Wii was an anamoly.  What other console/gimmick is going to bring in casuals and grandmas like the Wii did?  There are touch games on their phones/tablets for them, now. Or they just stopped playing altogether.  They aren't paying $250-300 + $100, in droves to play a couple of games, anymore.

Another one is that PlayStation has the largest, most loyal fanbase WW.  Even with the HUGE mistakes of last gen, Sony finished a close 2nd.  No other brand would have survived a $500 ($600 for the desired model) launch price, with weaker multiplats for the first year or so.  It's really the only reason gamers tolerated RROD last gen.  With a $400 PS3 and equal multiplats from launch, they all would have jumped ship. Sony doesn't seem to be going back into the business of making mistakes anytime real soon.



 

MDMAlliance on 21 June 2015
thismeintiel said:
MDMAlliance said:

So basically you understand the market better than anyone else, right?  Just because someone has an explanation of why something happened and it looks like it makes sense, doesn't really mean it's actually true.  If it really were as easy as you make it seem, no one would have trouble selling product.  Saying it wont happen again just tells everyone that you're arrogant.  It lets everyone know that you think your opinion is above everyone elses (because predictions are not fact).  

Also, you have no idea if the Wii was an "anamoly" or not.  There isn't a big enough sample size for anyone to say if the trend seen warrants that the Wii was the odd one out.  People just say it because there's no other data to look at.  Sure there's reason to think that it may trend downward further, but the fact that the Wii is there shows that there's reason to doubt too. 

I guess I understand the market better than most Nintendo fans, when it comes to the home console market.  Even after it was revealed that the Wii U would be following the same strategy as the Wii U (slightly more powerful then the power leader last gen, cheapest console, and gimmicky controls), I saw it failing where Nintendo fans saw success.  And when they predicted the PS4 and XBO would struggle because the Wii U was, I knew it wouldn't be the case.

I'm not claiming to be some awesome predictor, cause I'm not, but there are some things that are set in stone and/or common sense.  One of those being that the Wii was an anamoly.  What other console/gimmick is going to bring in casuals and grandmas like the Wii did?  There are touch games on their phones/tablets for them, now. Or they just stopped playing altogether.  They aren't paying $250-300 + $100, in droves to play a couple of games, anymore.

Another one is that PlayStation has the largest, most loyal fanbase WW.  Even with the HUGE mistakes of last gen, Sony finished a close 2nd.  No other brand would have survived a $500 ($600 for the desired model) launch price, with weaker multiplats for the first year or so.  It's really the only reason gamers tolerated RROD last gen.  With a $400 PS3 and equal multiplats from launch, they all would have jumped ship. Sony doesn't seem to be going back into the business of making mistakes anytime real soon.


This is a perfect example of confirmation bias.  



Soundwave on 21 June 2015

I don't think gamers have any particular loyalty to Sony/Nintendo/MS. They will go to who ever is offering the best option for them for any given generation.



thismeintiel on 21 June 2015
MDMAlliance said:


This is a perfect example of confirmation bias.

Not exactly confirmation bias when you have 4 gens and 20 years of trends to go off of.  But whatever helps you feel better.



 

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Pavolink on 22 June 2015

And this is way they are doing the NX/Fusion as soon as possible (next year).



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Nogamez on 22 June 2015

If history repeats itself its gonna sell 100 million ;)



reggin_bolas on 22 June 2015

Original Wii was a fad and an outlier. Anyone can see that based on OP's chart.



KLAMarine on 22 June 2015

If the NX is Nintendo combining their console and portable platforms, I can see NX selling very well. All their software going to only one place.



skullcracker on 24 June 2015
thismeintiel said:
RolStoppable said:
Mr.Playstation said:

How exactly?

Because the quoted post was nothing more than playing the victim card. Besides, the facts you presented aren't an uninterrupted sequence, so the point you brought up isn't even good to begin with.

"I am right, if you exclude everything that contradicts my point."

That's not a good way to go about it.

You guys really need to stop with the "stop discounting the Wii when looking at Nintendo's future" talk.  It's not happening, again. Not for Nintendo.  Not for Sony.  Not for MS.  The Wii was an anamoly.  A console that was bought mostly by people not usually interested in gaming, or as a 2nd console.  The 1st crowd has mostly moved on to smartphones/tablets.  The Wii U was an attempt to tap into that crowd, again, and proof it isn't happening.

From now on, Nintendo is going to have to tap into the core market.  One that Sony, as long as they don't make a mistake, seem to have on lock.  And one that MS seems to also be able to garner a sizable following from.  If Nintendo is going to try and bring in more casuals, they'll need to focus on handheld gaming next gen.

 

lol, look at this stupid denial. get lst.