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Mr Puggsly on 22 June 2015
torok said:
daredevil.shark said:
Teeqoz said:
While the virtual machine code will of course improve, the later in the gen the games were released, the more demanding they are, so it makes me a bit sceptical to how, for instance, Halo 4 would run.

What could be really interesting though, would be if next gen, MS releases an official 360 emulator for PC (considering they are likely to ditch xbox next gen). Sell the software (the emulator) itself for 60$, and games for anything between 5 and 10 dollars a piece.


Essencially its an emulator.

I think that we can't affirm that yet. However, as the architecture is wildly different, I think that we are looking at an emulator here. But it could also be an hybrid hypervisor layer that does a combo of emulator and VM.

Well I was listening to Giant Bomb, I believe they were talking to Kudo and Spancer, they called an emulator and dicussed work still being done it.



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d21lewis on 22 June 2015

In the past, both PS1 and PS2 emulators (on PS2 and PS3 and PSP and Vita) had various options for performance. I hope that when XB1 is done and ready for the public, it offers various options for an optimized experience, too.



torok on 22 June 2015
Mr Puggsly said:

Well I was listening to Giant Bomb, I believe they were talking to Kudo and Spancer, they called an emulator and dicussed work still being done it.


So it's an emulator, it seems more logical anyway, thanks for the info, Puggsly.



Bet with jetforcejiminy: PS4 will pass the Wii lifetime numbers.

Mr Puggsly on 22 June 2015
torok said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Well I was listening to Giant Bomb, I believe they were talking to Kudo and Spancer, they called an emulator and dicussed work still being done it.


So it's an emulator, it seems more logical anyway, thanks for the info, Puggsly.


Yeah, they went into detail about emulating the OS and difficulties of different architecture. Apparently they have only been working on it for a year. Pretty impressive even if the frame rate isn't ideal.

Spencer claimed the emulator has the same performance as an actual 360. But we see frame dips in the videos and better performance in other scenes. I'm thinking the lack of screen tear is causing frame dips and faster loading makes some scenes perform better.



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Mr Puggsly on 22 June 2015

By the way, I just noticed the OP failed to mention this...


Kameo

Kameo was one of two Xbox 360 launch titles from Rare and remains a lovely game to this day. It's also one of the best performers in the entire roster of backwards compatible titles, with a near flawless presentation. The frame-rate during our test held rock solid at 30fps, just as we had hoped, and all of the lovely lighting and textures are present and accounted for. It feels every bit as solid on Xbox One as it does on Xbox 360. Of the titles we tested this is the virtual machine working at its best, producing the most accurate 'emulation'.

Status: Virtually perfect.



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pbroy on 23 June 2015
Mr Puggsly said:
By the way, I just noticed the OP failed to mention this...

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Mr_No on 23 June 2015

I'm all for backwards compatibility, but I had a question last night. I don't know if this scenario has been brought up, but what if I had both a 360 and XB1, and I lend my friend, who also has an XB1, all my 360 games available for B/C and he downloads them into his console. When I get those games back from him, will I be able to download them on my console too or will they be limited to his console now?

Again, maybe this has been addressed already, but I haven't heard anything regarding that yet.



SvennoJ on 23 June 2015
Mr_No said:
I'm all for backwards compatibility, but I had a question last night. I don't know if this scenario has been brought up, but what if I had both a 360 and XB1, and I lend my friend, who also has an XB1, all my 360 games available for B/C and he downloads them into his console. When I get those games back from him, will I be able to download them on my console too or will they be limited to his console now?

Again, maybe this has been addressed already, but I haven't heard anything regarding that yet.

Since disk games have no unique ID there is simply no possible way for MS to block you from using that disk or any 2nd hand disk again.
He can't play them anymore though, since you need to have the disk (or any disk with the game on it) in the drive to start the game.



d21lewis on 23 June 2015
Mr_No said:
I'm all for backwards compatibility, but I had a question last night. I don't ow if this scenario has been brought up, but what if I had both a 360 and XB1, and I lend my friend, who also has an XB1, all my 360 games available for B/C and he downloads them into his console. When I get those games back from him, will I be able to download them on my console too or will they be limited to his console now?

Again, maybe this has been addressed already, but I haven't heard anything regarding that yet.


As stated, no disc=no play, even if they're installed in the console.  And digital games (as always) will work for the console they are originally downloaded to, online or offline.  Any other console (XB1 or 360) will require that you sign into your account.  Also, you can't log into two Xbox 360s at the same time--not even a virtual 360 on an Xbox One.  I already tried. :(