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Davman on 17 June 2015
DonFerrari said:
Don't like don't buy policy.

If Fifa and cod get there and raise 100-500M there what is the problem? People are free to expend or seek money as they want within the boundaries of law. Don't start drawing lines and asking special limits You don't want others telling you what you can or cannot do.

Seems like bitterness that games you preffer lose space, but you aint the center of the universe. So if 10M guys decide to fund cod 53 instead of 1k fund indie x that is what the Market wants. Bussiness, not charity or centered on you.

Kickstarter is for projects that cannot be funded otherwise , not tool for multibillion corporations to have more preorders.

(I dont have problem with Shenmue III kickstarted though)



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RenCutypoison on 17 June 2015
vivster said:

Tell me a better way to accurately gauge market viability.

And it's not like anyone is losing anything through this.


People loose money paying the game 60$ now when it will be cheaper on release due to inflation. Every dime counts !

OT Using kickstarter for marketing is ugly IMO, as it diverts people's attention from projects who really need the money to become a reality, because they aren't backed by a multibillion company.



hinch on 17 June 2015
RenCutypoison said:
vivster said:

Tell me a better way to accurately gauge market viability.

And it's not like anyone is losing anything through this.


People loose money paying the game 60$ now when it will be cheaper on release due to inflation. Every dime counts !

OT Using kickstarter for marketing is ugly IMO, as it diverts people's attention from projects who really need the money to become a reality, because they aren't backed by a multibillion company.

Not really.. its $29 for a digital copy of the game if you back up their KS.

If anything, thats incredibly cheap for a fully fledged out title like Shenmue.



RenCutypoison on 17 June 2015
hinch said:
RenCutypoison said:


People loose money paying the game 60$ now when it will be cheaper on release due to inflation. Every dime counts !

OT Using kickstarter for marketing is ugly IMO, as it diverts people's attention from projects who really need the money to become a reality, because they aren't backed by a multibillion company.

Not really.. its $29 for a digital copy of the game if you back up by KS.

If anything, thats incredibly cheap for a fully fledged out title like Shenmue.

That's why i mentionned the 60$ mark which stands for the physical release. 29$ is indeed cheap.



plip.plop on 17 June 2015
beeje13 said:
I'm not sure, but where is SEGA in all of this? They own the IP do they not?
It lets people with lots of money put more money into the game, in exchange for memorabilia.

And it's not exclusive is it, PC too?


I think when Sony does not own the IP, but they publish/fund it, they get console exclusive rights. When Sony owns the IP it stay exclusive to their system, with no PC counterpart.

examples this gen so far: Bloodborne, The Order 1886, Infamous =  Sony owns the IP

PC version of Console exclusive: No Mans Sky, SFV, Shenmue, FFVII

Just an observation, I could very well be wrong.



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hinch on 17 June 2015
RenCutypoison said:

That's why i mentionned the 60$ mark which stands for the physical release. 29$ is indeed cheap.

Ah must have missed that. But honestly though.. unless you need to own the physical copy of the game, its not really that needed (at least on PC). Where its probably going to be linked on Steam anyway.



RenCutypoison on 17 June 2015
hinch said:

Ah must have missed that. But honestly though.. unless you need to own the physical copy of the game, its not really that needed (at least on PC). Where the licences are most likely be tied to Steam.

For 31 dollars the box better be really looking good lol 

Did retail PC games intallable offline really completely died ? (I'm clueless here, I only have 2 games on steam lol)



Ultr on 17 June 2015

I just fail to see the problem here.



I officialy know too much now.

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hinch on 17 June 2015
RenCutypoison said:
hinch said:

Ah must have missed that. But honestly though.. unless you need to own the physical copy of the game, its not really that needed (at least on PC). Where the licences are most likely be tied to Steam.

For 31 dollars the box better be really looking good lol 

Did retail PC games intallable offline really completely died ? (I'm clueless here, I only have 2 games on steam lol)

Haha, yeah well.. there's that as well.

And I'd say so. Between etailers and Steam, there isn't much need to buy go retail on PC - at least where I am there isn't. 



Tachikoma on 17 June 2015
DanneSandin said:

What I'm saying is that this could lead to more similar projects where major publishers don't want to fund a game, so they let us gamers do it instead. And that's not how things should go done

Why isn't it?, it's not like the people who fund these games don't want them and get nothing in return, a large portion of the people finding Shenmue 3 's kickstarter for example, will be getting the eventual game for the price they paid in funding, which is often notably lower than the eventual retail price.

If publishers did this for more games, we would see an increase in games people actually want being made, and a decrease in the terrible ones wasting the developers/publishers time.