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Larry Said: watch out for the new OLEDs too with a 1000 000 :1 contrast ratio. Others ,if you havent bought an LCD/plasma please hang on for some more time. Sony would be reducing the price of Bravias with the launch of OLEDS
Yeah, Sony is launching a 11inch OLED with a mind blowing resolution of 1024x600. Who needs LED backlit LCDs now?
Larry said: M$ loss 7billion, blah blah blah PSTRIPLE HAS TEH C3LL...
Microsot lost ~4 billion from the first Xbox, over a timespan of ~4 years. The PS3 has lost ~ 2 billion in less than a year. So, that works out to half of the Xbox 1's finacial losses in 1/4th the timeframe. Atleast Sony will beat MS in that department...



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

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larry said:

Cell on the other hand is leaps and bound ahead of other processors and probably u wont see anything as powerful as Cell before 2010 when intel unleashes 80 core chip.

I have a hard time believing this when the creators of Crysis said the PS3 couldn't even run it.

 



The cell is great for somethings, and not so great for others. As you can see, it's quite a beast for the folding@home project. The biggest advantage the Cell provides is distributed computing across multiple platforms.



Not to mention it's comparing apples and oranges. The cell is designed for a different environment than the x86 processors. It's like comparing a buck knife to a swiss army knife. Of course a buck knife will do certain things better, but the swiss army knife will do other things that a buck knife cannot.



Just so y'know, Larry... No one has said Sony as a whole was losing money... Everyone knows that Sony's flagship right now is its TVs, and an overall renewed focus on electronics over media and content. But all that means is that PS3 can continue to fail on the market for longer than something like Sega Saturn. Sega couldn't leave a financial disaster of a console on the market for a full cycle like Microsoft did last gen and Sony probably will this gen, because they didn't have another profit stream. At the same time, if PS3 keeps losing money, then Sony can more easily shut down their entire gaming operations than Sega or Nintendo could. Sega failed on the market with Saturn, and they probably should have stopped there, but they don't own a movie studio or sell TVs. So despite the pit they were in, they basically had to try again if they wanted to restore any greatness to the company. Meanwhile if Sony turns around their consumer electronics as much as they appear to be, they can have less qualms about just shutting down their high-risk low-reward gaming operation which has been losing billions. Now I don't think thats likely. But I thought I might as well explain all the implications of the numbers you randomly decided to post.



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Dolla Dolla said:
The cell is great for somethings, and not so great for others. As you can see, it's quite a beast for the folding@home project. The biggest advantage the Cell provides is distributed computing across multiple platforms.

 ...you do know why right.. F@H calls for parallel processing which is what the Cell can do. The cell is designed to be able to crunch flouting point calculations which run in parallel. The Cell is also designed to be a beast when it comes to graphical environments which is why Mercury Microsystems is using the Cell in their medical computers. 



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Wow Larry your post are mostly amusing to me now as I have to take everything ou say with a great deal of salt. Lets just go over a few of my favorite FUD debunkers for you. Number 1: The Emotion Engine engine is 333 Mhz Pentium yeah well that one is just basically wrong from the clock speed down to classifying as KruzeS said as a x86 Pentium and was actually more powerful than most Pentium 3 and designed with 3D enviroments in mind but let you read about that if you'd like here's two a links to get started. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium#P5.2C_P54C.2C_P54CS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion_Engine Number 2: The development of the Cell processor was both responsible for Sony's losses in a great part this year and was taken on largely by Sony. Well fine go by your number of 1.7 billion split with Sony taking 60% of the devlopment cost that a cost to Sony of 566 million over a four year period starting in 2001 and ending in 2005 or on average 142 million a year convert that to Yen and that is 68 billion total and 17 billion a year average for developing the cell processor. Now I personally believe that your .60% of 1.7 billion came from nowhere as the orginal cost of development was estimated at 400 million to be split between the three companies or roughly 133 million total from sony assuming and equal 3 way spit or 240 if you want to assume 60% contributed by Sony or roughly 425% less than what your statement implies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_microprocessor#_note-0 Anyways the bigger point is this the Cell processor was not developed from March 2006 to March 2007 it was developed between 2001 and 2005 which is when the majority of it was payed for its R&D cost are not the majority of the gaming divisions losses the system that is produced at $840 and sold for $600 is the major cause of these losses plain and simple no other console maker to my knowledge has ever taken a loss that big just to sell a system the 3 million units sold already alone would account for 600 million in losses or in other words more than the cost of developing the Cell processor. Anyways that's enough FUD debunking for now but I think most people would like a link to where your PS3 cost of production and selling cost are now even data comes from.



JDWolf36 said:
Wow Larry your post are mostly amusing to me now as I have to take everything ou say with a great deal of salt. Lets just go over a few of my favorite FUD debunkers for you. Number 1: The Emotion Engine engine is 333 Mhz Pentium yeah well that one is just basically wrong from the clock speed down to classifying as KruzeS said as a x86 Pentium and was actually more powerful than most Pentium 3 and designed with 3D enviroments in mind but let you read about that if you'd like here's two a links to get started. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium#P5.2C_P54C.2C_P54CS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion_Engine Number 2: The development of the Cell processor was both responsible for Sony's losses in a great part this year and was taken on largely by Sony. Well fine go by your number of 1.7 billion split with Sony taking 60% of the devlopment cost that a cost to Sony of 566 million over a four year period starting in 2001 and ending in 2005 or on average 142 million a year convert that to Yen and that is 68 billion total and 17 billion a year average for developing the cell processor. Now I personally believe that your .60% of 1.7 billion came from nowhere as the orginal cost of development was estimated at 400 million to be split between the three companies or roughly 133 million total from sony assuming and equal 3 way spit or 240 if you want to assume 60% contributed by Sony or roughly 425% less than what your statement implies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_microprocessor#_note-0 Anyways the bigger point is this the Cell processor was not developed from March 2006 to March 2007 it was developed between 2001 and 2005 which is when the majority of it was payed for its R&D cost are not the majority of the gaming divisions losses the system that is produced at $840 and sold for $600 is the major cause of these losses plain and simple no other console maker to my knowledge has ever taken a loss that big just to sell a system the 3 million units sold already alone would account for 600 million in losses or in other words more than the cost of developing the Cell processor. Anyways that's enough FUD debunking for now but I think most people would like a link to where your PS3 cost of production and selling cost are now even data comes from.

 

He can't link to his imagination.  He get's a '404 Page Not Found' error.

 



Ok enough, this thread is just degrading into attacks now. And there is already a topic open for this which was created first. http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=2026&start=0#end