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Do the Wii U and Vita deserve the sales they have

No they deserve less 37 7.77%
 
Vita deserves Less, Wii U... 19 3.99%
 
Wii U does deserve more, Vita deserves less 131 27.52%
 
They both deserve more 184 38.66%
 
Vita deserves more, Wii U less 52 10.92%
 
Wii U should have the com... 52 10.92%
 
Total:475
Qwark said:
Mbolibombo said:
So the two best games on PS4/XBO are two remakes from last gen (Last of Us and GTA 5) and you are trying to put Nintendo down for using old franchises.. oh the hilarity. So far It's my firm believe that PS4 and Xbone are selling with empty promises, they especially the PS4 have sold tons of consoles but the amount of good games are lacking. That said, the consoles have a better future ahead of them than Wii U but your statement is pretty ridiculous.

There's a few gems which I love (Ori being the lone game that would crack my top 5 this gen outside of Nintendo games) but so far I havnt gotten anywhere near the worth I paid for the consoles - I do own all 3 consoles and they have gotten a lot lesser playtime than the Wii U (though Xbone hasnt been in my home for more than a month or so)

I think it's a shame the Wii U isnt selling better than it is, it's a fantastic console with lots and lots of quality games. I feel bad for Nintendo, but mostly I feel bad for all fans with the blind hatred towards Nintendo. They are really missing out.

That would be denying Bloordborne and the Witcher 3 exist and there are plenty of good games which appearently aren't your taste. Denying Dragon Age Inquisition, The Witcher 3, Bloodborne, Shadow of Mordor, Project cars, Destiny, Dying Light, Infamous second Son Killzone SF, The evil within and the standard third party games are not good games is not true. And even though that system is a year behind Wii U it already catched up it's library in 18 months. Not to start about the huge collection of fairly good Indie games available on either of the twins.

I own a Wii U and yet I think the PS4 is a way better console with a library which could easily match Wii U's without having a drought each year and being able to play quite a lot new IP's. For that it deserves it's low sales and even though the same ol good stuff is quite well executed the lack of new games makes the numbers it has deserved, perhaps they deserve a bit more, but over 30 million would be an insult to the GC.

Not denying they exist. They just arent better games than GTA5 and Last of us. They certainly are the best games the console has to offer from this gen though, as for the other games you mentioned I really like Shadow of Mordor which makes the top 5 games for the console really good. The others you mentioned though... meh not bad but but nothing special, forgettable games.  That said, havnt played Killzone though but doubt that game would make me change my mind. 

just like you believe Wii U deserves no more sales than this, I could say PS4 doesnt deserve anywhere close to their current sales based on their game library. But I am happy for Sony that PS4 is doing well, saving the company as we speak. I like a healthy gaming community and hope that all do well. Everyone wins. Wishing someone less success is just pathetic.



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Sony has the following sequels/remasters in development btw:

GoW IV
GoW III: R
Uncharted Trilogy collection
Uncharted 4
R & C reboot
TLOU2 (it was on an ex-developer's linkedin page)
Tearaway: Unfolded
Fat Princess Adventures
Gran Turismo 6

Yeah, Sony wouldn't dare to rely on sequels lol...



both deserved more tbh. i know Vita has lesser popularity due to mobile gaming. but the quality of its graphics as a HH and 3rd party in the west doesn't really create a lot of games for HH. Japan on the other hand is more into HH, hence both Vita and 3Ds has a good support.

Wii U deserved more but doe to hardware power and marketing, it ain't started well. lack of games + nintendo banking on Wii casual gamers didn't help. but the library of games is really great.



Samus Aran said:
Sony has the following sequels/remasters in development btw:

GoW IV
GoW III: R
Uncharted Trilogy collection
Uncharted 4
R & C reboot
TLOU2 (it was on an ex-developer's linkedin page)
Tearaway: Unfolded
Fat Princess Adventures
Gran Turismo 6

Yeah, Sony wouldn't dare to rely on sequels lol...

Since they also develop other and might I say big games than sequels as Horizon and the recently released Bloodborne they are doing a better job than Nintendo that is for sure, not to begin about Quantic Dream, Media Molecule or Sucker Punch, which have yet unknown projects. 



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The memory card argument is definitely irrelevant, only VITA OWNERS can consider them expensive because of all the NO GAEMS it has.. Prospects never take that into consideration before buying a console especially that its physical games' price is inferior than 3DS's.
And above all WIIU AND VITA don't deserve what happened to them, it's SONY and NINTENDO whom are to blame. Both consoles are great. support is definitely not.



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sony has pretty much ditched thier own handheld and leave it to the third parties, nintendo on the other hand has been supportive to the wii u in most of what they can



SnowPrince said:
The memory card argument is definitely irrelevant, only VITA OWNERS can consider them expensive because of all the NO GAEMS it has.. Prospects never take that into consideration before buying a console especially that its physical games' price is inferior than 3DS's.
And above all WIIU AND VITA don't deserve what happened to them, it's SONY and NINTENDO whom are to blame. Both consoles are great. support is definitely not.

In that case any console is great, support makes a console a great, otherwise the PS2 would have flopped, since it hardware wasn't all that special. A bad supported console is by defenition not a great console, a good piece of hardware at best like the Vita. The Wii U gets supported but it's hardware fails whereas it comes to the tablet and is overpriced when put against it's competitors.



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Great discussion going guys... Does it really matter if a game is a sequel or new IP? Super Mario Galaxy 2 is literally SMG1 with different levels and new mechanics... Yet is a great game! It's not about the mascot/main character in the box, is about the experience and gameplay it offers. Success doesn't come from the amount of new characters created.

The failure of the Wii U is not because of the games. The problem was Nintendo's handling of everything that came before the games. Marketing, awareness, the (fucking stupid) name, and much more. But the games (sequels or new IPs) are not the problem.

If that was the case, the 3DS would be a huge failure and the Vita a success. But look how that turned out...



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Qwark said:
Samus Aran said:
Sony has the following sequels/remasters in development btw:

GoW IV
GoW III: R
Uncharted Trilogy collection
Uncharted 4
R & C reboot
TLOU2 (it was on an ex-developer's linkedin page)
Tearaway: Unfolded
Fat Princess Adventures
Gran Turismo 6

Yeah, Sony wouldn't dare to rely on sequels lol...

Since they also develop other and might I say big games than sequels as Horizon and the recently released Bloodborne they are doing a better job than Nintendo that is for sure, not to begin about Quantic Dream, Media Molecule or Sucker Punch, which have yet unknown projects. 

Sony didn't develop Bloodborne, From Software did.

What big games does Sony have this year? Do tell me... All I see is niche stuff. If you think the PS4 is a big success because of those games than you're horribly wrong. 



To anyone who says that the Vita's overpriced memory card was not a factor in its failure, I have one question.
Did you do any downloading of anything? Nearly requiring an additional $100 drop to have more than 3-5 downloads/DLC on the memory card was a serious pain. I only own one physical release on my Vita, SFxT and I love my Vita, (Where else can I get my Disgaea on the go?) but I do have 15-20 downloaded ones, and I love the JRPG love, which would not be possible since many stores don't even carry Vita, well non overhyped ones, games a bigger memory card is needed.

To my beloved Wii U, Nintendo really dropped the ball during its first year, and are paining for it now. But even the PS4 is selling like hotcakes and they, themselves, are shocked as to why. Bloodborne and The Witcher are great games, the Order was just a glorified tech demo, so I think that the previous poster was correct in throwing in the Nintendoland comment on that one. Disgaea 5 and SF 5 are the only major releases I am anticipating for the PS4, both sequels.
I also say, don't count Nintendo dead yet, they have been in business for over 100 years, and in gaming for over 30, they obviously know what they are doing, even if they screw up from time to time.



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