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Nem on 05 June 2015

Well, i have no doubt that Nomura's vision would appeal to me more. He makes intertwined storylines and i love that on Kingdom Hearts.
With that said, it was clear versus wasnt gonna get completed in 20 years. But, this also makes worry about FFXV and fear a new FFXIII. Type-0 has no impressed or appealed to me and was full of cliches, so yeah... it may be time to panic. Stella was an interesting counterpart to Noctis. This Luna will probably be the generic heroine. This is somewhat similar to Tales of Zestiria.
Stella DLC incoming? :P



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Nem on 05 June 2015
HollyGamer said:
Wildcard36qs said:
I understand they ditched Stella and basically made her into Luna (at least physically). But you guys have what, a few minutes of trailers and some promotional material to go on? How deep of a character development did you get from that? Someone saying they could tell her personality and how different she was from Luna based upon a few seconds in a cutscene? For real? It's just quite outrageous to me lol

THIS!!!!

Thanks to Internet we can complain about games that never exist.


That is not true. 

There is a very long trailer where Noctis and Stella have a conversation in a party. Her character was established. That is why they had to cut all ties with FFVXIII.



Scoobes on 05 June 2015
Wildcard36qs said:
I understand they ditched Stella and basically made her into Luna (at least physically). But you guys have what, a few minutes of trailers and some promotional material to go on? How deep of a character development did you get from that? Someone saying they could tell her personality and how different she was from Luna based upon a few seconds in a cutscene? For real? It's just quite outrageous to me lol

Stella not being in the game is more a symptom of the greater changes they're obviously making to the game. Over the last few years they've moved further and further away from the concept trailers and material they showed off. The darker tone and what was presented as the basis for the main story/game have now gone. It's not just a simple character change people are complaining about, but what it represents.

Problem is, SE's recent track record with managing FF titles is really quite bad. It's like they're developing based on popular trends; changing main characters to suit a set demographic; simplifying game traversal and hiding lore from players; releasing a buggy online game that ignored all advancements in the online space and forced them to rebuild the whole thing.




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outlawauron on 05 June 2015
Scoobes said:
Wildcard36qs said:
I understand they ditched Stella and basically made her into Luna (at least physically). But you guys have what, a few minutes of trailers and some promotional material to go on? How deep of a character development did you get from that? Someone saying they could tell her personality and how different she was from Luna based upon a few seconds in a cutscene? For real? It's just quite outrageous to me lol

Stella not being in the game is more a symptom of the greater changes they're obviously making to the game. Over the last few years they've moved further and further away from the concept trailers and material they showed off. The darker tone and what was presented as the basis for the main story/game have now gone. It's not just a simple character change people are complaining about, but what it represents.

Problem is, SE's recent track record with managing FF titles is really quite bad. It's like they're developing based on popular trends; changing main characters to suit a set demographic; simplifying game traversal and hiding lore from players; releasing a buggy online game that ignored all advancements in the online space and forced them to rebuild the whole thing.

But there's absolutely nothing to support that the tone of the story and world has changed outside of the character change. 



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Scoobes on 05 June 2015
outlawauron said:
Scoobes said:
Wildcard36qs said:
I understand they ditched Stella and basically made her into Luna (at least physically). But you guys have what, a few minutes of trailers and some promotional material to go on? How deep of a character development did you get from that? Someone saying they could tell her personality and how different she was from Luna based upon a few seconds in a cutscene? For real? It's just quite outrageous to me lol

Stella not being in the game is more a symptom of the greater changes they're obviously making to the game. Over the last few years they've moved further and further away from the concept trailers and material they showed off. The darker tone and what was presented as the basis for the main story/game have now gone. It's not just a simple character change people are complaining about, but what it represents.

Problem is, SE's recent track record with managing FF titles is really quite bad. It's like they're developing based on popular trends; changing main characters to suit a set demographic; simplifying game traversal and hiding lore from players; releasing a buggy online game that ignored all advancements in the online space and forced them to rebuild the whole thing.

But there's absolutely nothing to support that the tone of the story and world has changed outside of the character change. 

Tabata: “The first is the presence of the character Stella. Stella was presented as the heroine to play opposite Noctis in Versus XIII. We wanted to keep her as a heroine in FFXV’s story, and pursued ways to tie her in to FFXV’s design as well, but we found it increasingly difficult to make sense of Stella’s character and role within FFXV. So then we thought, do we want to recreate Stella with a different role and image, or do we want to start over with a new heroine? And after a lot of consideration, we decided not to include Stella in FFXV. Instead, we have a new heroine named Luna, who has a different role within the story. So we will be talking more about her in the future.”

See the bolded. They've completely changed a central character, and one who previous trailers and articles pointed to as being highly significant in the overall plot.

As for the tone, its more the presentation shift in recent years.




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Kowan on 05 June 2015
taus90 said:
Kowan said:
Wyrdness said:
Imo it's controversial because the whole change has been done in a way that makes it feel like the project was hijacked to fill a void because the was nothing for an actual FFXV title. This isn't even a fan of Nomura thing as I don't care for the guy but he certainly had an interesting concept that was presented to gamers for the good part of a decade which has now been confirmed to have been thrown out.

If anything Tabata is now worse off as if him and his team don't deliver every critic will be lining up to have a field day over this especially after the whole XIII saga debacle.


What was thrown out? Did you not watch the video? Tabata is incorporating all that he can from the original story to the final version of FF XV. CHanges were made but the whole idea is the same. They just changed some of the old ideas and made something else in XV. 

Stella was freaking huge part of the story, entire versus was riding on noctis and stella's equation. and not to mention changes to combat system the tone. "And Tabata is incorporating all that he can from the original" the only thing i see him incorporating  from the original are Noctics, his friends and the beast. rest every thing has been changed.

You can't really say that when the game itself isn't released yet. Same for Versus, no one has ever played that nor knows what the story is about. Sure Stella SEEMED important but we don't know the entirety of her story.  Luna replaced her and she looks exactly like Stella, who knows what her role will ultimately be.



Spedfrom on 05 June 2015
estebxx said:


That is not Stella. That's Luna. And her name is actually Lunafreya Nox Fleuret. Jut like Stella was Stella Nox Fleuret. According to Tabata however, they are different characters and they have different roles in the story. Or rather, Luna does.



outlawauron on 05 June 2015
Scoobes said:
outlawauron said:

But there's absolutely nothing to support that the tone of the story and world has changed outside of the character change. 

Tabata: “The first is the presence of the character Stella. Stella was presented as the heroine to play opposite Noctis in Versus XIII. We wanted to keep her as a heroine in FFXV’s story, and pursued ways to tie her in to FFXV’s design as well, but we found it increasingly difficult to make sense of Stella’s character and role within FFXV. So then we thought, do we want to recreate Stella with a different role and image, or do we want to start over with a new heroine? And after a lot of consideration, we decided not to include Stella in FFXV. Instead, we have a new heroine named Luna, who has a different role within the story. So we will be talking more about her in the future.”

See the bolded. They've completely changed a central character, and one who previous trailers and articles pointed to as being highly significant in the overall plot.

As for the tone, its more the presentation shift in recent years.

We interpret the statements differently. I read it that Stella would not fit into the story revisions they made when the moved from the Versus FNC to FF15. It's all supposed to be self-contained and it's likely that Stella's role played into the future content that would not exist anymore.

I think wait and see will be a better policy on this one.



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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Scoobes on 05 June 2015
outlawauron said:
Scoobes said:
outlawauron said:

But there's absolutely nothing to support that the tone of the story and world has changed outside of the character change. 

Tabata: “The first is the presence of the character Stella. Stella was presented as the heroine to play opposite Noctis in Versus XIII. We wanted to keep her as a heroine in FFXV’s story, and pursued ways to tie her in to FFXV’s design as well, but we found it increasingly difficult to make sense of Stella’s character and role within FFXV. So then we thought, do we want to recreate Stella with a different role and image, or do we want to start over with a new heroine? And after a lot of consideration, we decided not to include Stella in FFXV. Instead, we have a new heroine named Luna, who has a different role within the story. So we will be talking more about her in the future.”

See the bolded. They've completely changed a central character, and one who previous trailers and articles pointed to as being highly significant in the overall plot.

As for the tone, its more the presentation shift in recent years.

We interpret the statements differently. I read it that Stella would not fit into the story revisions they made when the moved from the Versus FNC to FF15. It's all supposed to be self-contained and it's likely that Stella's role played into the future content that would not exist anymore.

I think wait and see will be a better policy on this one.

Probably, and my overall impression of the demo was positive. However, I can't help but worry after the previous FF games.




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taus90 on 05 June 2015
Kowan said:
taus90 said:
Kowan said:
Wyrdness said:
Imo it's controversial because the whole change has been done in a way that makes it feel like the project was hijacked to fill a void because the was nothing for an actual FFXV title. This isn't even a fan of Nomura thing as I don't care for the guy but he certainly had an interesting concept that was presented to gamers for the good part of a decade which has now been confirmed to have been thrown out.

If anything Tabata is now worse off as if him and his team don't deliver every critic will be lining up to have a field day over this especially after the whole XIII saga debacle.


What was thrown out? Did you not watch the video? Tabata is incorporating all that he can from the original story to the final version of FF XV. CHanges were made but the whole idea is the same. They just changed some of the old ideas and made something else in XV. 

Stella was freaking huge part of the story, entire versus was riding on noctis and stella's equation. and not to mention changes to combat system the tone. "And Tabata is incorporating all that he can from the original" the only thing i see him incorporating  from the original are Noctics, his friends and the beast. rest every thing has been changed.

You can't really say that when the game itself isn't released yet. Same for Versus, no one has ever played that nor knows what the story is about. Sure Stella SEEMED important but we don't know the entirety of her story.  Luna replaced her and she looks exactly like Stella, who knows what her role will ultimately be.

Well I can, as there have been tons of info and trailer on who stella was and how important she was to the story, as a matter of fact, noctis and stella were the only charactered introduced, and Nomura used their Romeo & Juliet esque angle to promote the game. People who have been following this game for9 years, know exactly what this game was and why it was special and there was a reason why it was named VERSUSXIII.. its just people who only had fleeting interest in the game think nothing was revealed and everything is a speculation.